You are the TD. You are Player B.

[TightEnd]

Is Tikay the angle-shooter?

No no

Neither player is a rookie, both are experienced players


Interesting debate, the prospect of which is why I posted it

I think its situation dependant, you were there what do you think?

I did not witness it but saw 20 people around the table as a verbal kerfuffle ensued around the ruling/player behaviour. The story of what preceded that was recounted to me by Player B who felt aggrieved with Player A.

This thread shows that his disappointment is questionable, I think.

I chose to keep the identities from this thread as I think tis easier all round to have a discussion without any personal flaming involved

[kukushkin88]

Are the initials of player A TM?

[outragous76]

if its not an abgle shoot why would you do it.

even subconciously you are looking for a reaction.

player B clearly makes the error - but player A gets the advantage from doing everything possible  to create the error. Even the nicest guys in the world like to win! If he didnt want to win he would follow through with his intended action

[AndrewT]

I chose to keep the identities from this thread as I think tis easier all round to have a discussion without any personal flaming involved

I think the discussion has finished now - if you post the names we can start the personal flaming and Blonde gets two threads in one, what value for money!

[Drain Alien]

Is Tikay the angle-shooter?

No no

Neither player is a rookie, both are experienced players


Interesting debate, the prospect of which is why I posted it

I think its situation dependant, you were there what do you think?

I did not witness it but saw 20 people around the table as a verbal kerfuffle ensued around the ruling/player behaviour. The story of what preceded that was recounted to me by Player B who felt aggrieved with Player A.

This thread shows that his disappointment is questionable, I think.

I chose to keep the identities from this thread as I think tis easier all round to have a discussion without any personal flaming involved

aha, now I know it was the ruling with 20 spectators [& just before the break], I know the 2 players involved.
Now it all makes sense !

[gatso]

I chose to keep the identities from this thread as I think tis easier all round to have a discussion without any personal flaming involved

I think the discussion has finished now - if you post the names we can start the personal flaming and Blonde gets two threads in one, what value for money!

this please

name, shame and flame

[Drain Alien]

Are the initials of player A TM?

Timmy Mallet u mean?

[Claw75]

Are the initials of player A TM?

Timmy Mallet u mean?

did the players look at eachother and go 'bluuuurgh'?

[StuartHopkin]

This thread is BULL!!

lol

are you all telling me that if your ABOUT to call and someone flips there hand to show your losing you COMPLETE your call???

unless someone knows more about this than has been posted then I would suggest everyone would do the same as player A

Yeah he had the 8th nuts but why would you instaflip your hand if you werent excited about winning the pot.

Lets change the board to AAxxx and your about to call with your straight chips in hand and the guy your about to call flips AA and shouts 'F U I HAVE THE FRICKIN QUADS BABY' do you all still put your chips in and say 'well i was gonna call before he did that so i suppose its only right that i still call??

Someone please explain what I am missing, with only the info on here player A appears to have done nothing wrong.

What if player A makes the call and player B then flips over his hand. And it's quad Aces. Player B screams 'F U I HAVE THE FRICKIN QUADS BABY' and then runs around the room punching the air. Then he gets down on the floor and does that caterpillar move all around the table constantly shouting FRICKIN QUADS FRICKIN QUADS. What has player B done wrong? He's not breaking any rules. However, he is being a dickhead, and he is behaving in a way that should be discouraged. The angle player A is shooting is getting info from player B by using a forward motion and comments to intimate he is calling the bet. It's dickhead behaviour. But I agree he does nothing technically wrong

Mantis I frickin love this post, I love the thought of someone doing the caterpillar/worm dance around the table as a rubdown. Would be the best thing ever imo and in no way being a dickhead.

But my point is that everyone is assuming this is an angleshoot/out of order thing to do.

Player A would spend hours doing this if he thought players were thick enough to flip their hands.
If he is hamming up his call a bit because he thinks he might be behind and the guy flips his hand before he has ACTUALLY called, you cant blame him for this or anything that ensues.

[nirvana]

The following occurred in a Live MTT last night.

Whilst I know both of the protagonists well, I'm interested in people's thoughts on the situation and not in flaming individuals. Keep all comments temperate please. What about the TD's reaction and what your attitude would be as the player who wins the hand?

There is 6,000 in the pot and a board reading QQ798.

Player B has 99. Player A is reliably said to have had Q10, though this is hearsay.

Player A checks and Player B went all in for 6500

Player A had 5700 left, one white chip, one purple, two grey in three stacks.

He piled one on top of the other, picks them up said "Oh well, you can't win them all" and pushed his hand forward in mid-air.

That's when Player B turned his cards over. I assume he thinks he has been called

So Player A then pulls his chips back and asks the dealer what his options are.

The dealer insta called for a ruling.

The ruling was given in Player A's favour -  he hasn't called, he can call or fold.


Comments please

I haven't read all 5 pages as this is open & shut - player B is a complete fishdonk, 100% pwned by player A

[nirvana]

iffy shenanigans?

You tell me what you would have done differently in player A's shoes, when you go to put your chips across the line but player B shows you his cards?

In this situation mental agility is key. Player A is clearly not angle shooting but possesses lightning fast thought processes and reflexes.

I wouldn't be surprised if player B is from the Fens or somesuch

[MANTIS01]

I don't know why Player A is hamming up a call with the Q-10 anyway. Surely this is an insta-muck when Player B jams the river? I mean what does player A think he's beating in this spot? Player B is an experienced player, no doubt there's been considerable action through the streets, and here he is jamming the river. Minimum for player B is K-Q imo. Yet here is sad player A on the end completely lost in the hand and having to rely on a technicality to save his chips.

Also, upon reflection, maybe the caterpillar dance would be ok if you flopped quads.

[Drain Alien]

Contrary to previous comments, Player B is not a rookie or a donk.

Some would say he's a reasonably good player; it has even been stated elsewhere that he's the best player on sky!

And [apparently] he's incredibly handsome.

8-)

Drainy

[celtic]

Contrary to previous comments, Player B is not a rookie or a donk.

Some would say he's a reasonably good player; it has even been stated elsewhere that he's the best player on sky!

And [apparently] he's incredibly handsome.

8-)

Drainy

Drainy obv had his acct hacked into by chompy.

Player a wasn't angle shooting, not smart enough to do that, just took advantage of a situation that occured.

[relaedgc]

Contrary to previous comments, Player B is not a rookie or a donk.

Some would say he's a reasonably good player; it has even been stated elsewhere that he's the best player on sky!

And [apparently] he's incredibly handsome.

8-)

Drainy

Drainy obv had his acct hacked into by chompy.

Player a wasn't angle shooting, not smart enough to do that, just took advantage of a situation that occured.

Don't turn your hand over until the Dealer asks you to show and take. Then regardless of what dramatics are played out for the benefit of information gathering, you are not going to find yourself in this predicament. Unfortunate, I don't disagree, but I can't find it in myself to blame the man for using the extra information granted him.