Man U v Arsenal

[Rod Paradise]

Really good 2nd half,few points tho:

-Will Eboue now get a 2 game ban for diving when he got booked or do you not get a ban for cheating if your booked (i no prem rules are diff to champs lge but i presume this is the new rules)

-Why are refs such knobs,why waste time sending wenger off when the games just about to finish when he could do it afterwards and what was it for, if it was for kicking the bottle then what a joke,does he now get a touchline ban

-How good is diaby,despite his og looked vv good today heard comparisons with him to vieira which looks like it is the case,mbn to have a manager that good at finding unknown talent

Unlucky arsenal imo played well

Didn't see what Wenger got sent off for - was watching, but didn't see anything worth a red - but he deserves the book thrown at him for the 'protest' when he climbed into the stand.

 

Which "book" would that be Rod ?

Apparently there is nowhere to go behind the away bench hence AW's confusion, it was not a protest.

I am starting to think that you may be certifiably bonkers but I'll still give you a big kiss at BB8 

The bringing the game into disrepute "book".

You're not telling me the manager doesn't know where to go at Old Trafford - as ridiculous excuses for shite behaviour goes you're excelling yourself now.

I very much doubt that my honest opiions make me certifiable or bonkers but if I was going to the bash I'd allow the kiss

[WarBwastard]

This is a dive. 

[cambo]

semi amusing arsenal got another playing booked for diving

[Josedinho]

This is a penalty. 

[sovietsong]

This is a penalty. 

2 game ban pls.  no difference in between this and eduardo other than the celtic keeper wasnt as stupid as alumunia, if the keeper had managed to pull out rooney would have gone down exactly the same. 

this whole diving this is a joke.

[Josedinho]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

[sovietsong]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

not really sure on your point?

look at rooneys feet before almunia touches him.  your kidding yourself if you dont think he was going down in the exact same way eduardo did

[Josedinho]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

not really sure on your point?

look at rooneys feet before almunia touches him.  your kidding yourself if you dont think he was going down in the exact same way eduardo did

My point is that it is a penalty. Keeper makes contact. This is where it is easy to argue that he goes off his feet to lessen the impact of the challenge. Impossible to argue agaisnt because contact was made.

[gatso]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

not really sure on your point?

look at rooneys feet before almunia touches him.  your kidding yourself if you dont think he was going down in the exact same way eduardo did

yes, but almunia has clattered into him. 100% of refs give this as a penalty 100% of the time as that's what the rules tell them to do

[WarBwastard]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

not really sure on your point?

look at rooneys feet before almunia touches him.  your kidding yourself if you dont think he was going down in the exact same way eduardo did

My point is that it is a penalty. Keeper makes contact. This is where it is easy to argue that he goes off his feet to lessen the impact of the challenge. Impossible to argue agaisnt because contact was made.

There has to be intent for it to be a foul, just contact is not enough.  Football is still a contact sport.  So there can be a situation where it's not a foul or a dive, just a coming together of bodies.  If contact was enough for a foul there'd be a free kick every 30 seconds.  

This was a dive though. He's dragging his feet before Almunia touches him.  

[Josedinho]

There doesn't even have to be contact. Rooney could have dived over Almunia and the ref could have given it for intent to foul. (Gerrard V Sheffield United) If Rooney stood still he would have been taken down so the fact he dragged his feet doesn't matter. The intent to foul was there.

[sovietsong]

So there isn't a difference apart from the difference?
Players can get fouled in whatever position they liked, you can get fouled with your feet of the ground. If Almunia stays on his line Rooney doesn't hit the deck here.

not really sure on your point?

look at rooneys feet before almunia touches him.  your kidding yourself if you dont think he was going down in the exact same way eduardo did

yes, but almunia has clattered into him. 100% of refs give this as a penalty 100% of the time as that's what the rules tell them to do

of course all refs give it but is it not crazy to give eduardo all this grief and then say that its ok for rooney to dive because after he is on his way down almunia clatters him?

[The Baron]

I hate Rooney and I hate Man U but that's not a dive - that's winning a penalty.

[WarBwastard]

There doesn't even have to be contact. Rooney could have dived over Almunia and the ref could have given it for intent to foul. (Gerrard V Sheffield United) If Rooney stood still he would have been taken down so the fact he dragged his feet doesn't matter. The intent to foul was there.

So why such a furore over Eduardo's "dive"?  The justification for calling him a cheat was that there was no contact.  Which there was anyway when his legs caught Eduardo.

[sovietsong]

I hate Rooney and I hate Man U but that's not a dive - that's winning a penalty.

lol - does this mean we should accept it as part of the game?  is diving the new cruyff turn?