WCOOP Main Event hand

[The Camel]

Villain is Eric Baldwin who I have never played against, but various people have told me he is excellent..

what should I do here?

PokerStars Game #33081856623: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2009/09/20 22:42:27 WET [2009/09/20 17:42:27 ET]
Table '200909045 205' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AWice (21530 in chips)
Seat 2: sYsonator (16470 in chips)
Seat 3: chrisjester (18950 in chips)
Seat 4: inTilt (21010 in chips)
Seat 5: grindnitout (24205 in chips)
Seat 6: GotURead (22315 in chips)
Seat 7: Beto777 (21005 in chips)
Seat 8: basebaldy (17375 in chips)
Seat 9: The Camel (17515 in chips)
sYsonator: posts small blind 30
chrisjester: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [As Ah]
inTilt: folds
grindnitout: folds
GotURead: folds
Beto777: folds
AWice said, "lol i only listen to players that win"
AWice said, "sry"
AWice said, "like camel"
basebaldy: raises 120 to 180
chrisjester said, "then you should listen to me"
AWice said, "beto, goturead, baldy"
The Camel: raises 360 to 540
AWice said, "they all win"
AWice: folds
sYsonator: folds
chrisjester: folds
basebaldy: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [ ]
basebaldy: bets 775


what next?

[action man]

tough keith, if u peel here then maybe you are compelled to call a potntial 3 barrells. If you raise the flop, how do you plan to continue if he 3bets the flop.
I probs take the call line on the flop. Saying you haven't played against basebaldy, does he know you?? if not then it is a pretty weird line to donk lead a set or better into an unknown.

If i raise the flop and he calls, im checking back on all turns. If he 3bets the flop you have to hate your life and fold. Its a weird dynamic, because baldy prolly knows you are far too deep to get all in with an overpair here, thus giving him leverage to force the pot off you. Im happy peeling the flop for starters.

[action man]

p.s i flat preflop

[titaniumbean]

I don't think you can do much other than call the flop.

I think raising would not get us very far because unless he b3b a set on the flop thinking you'll over play something then he'll be bet calling or bet folding.

By calling we keep all his airy hands in the pot, but he could also be leading with a pr+str8 draw kind of hand, 45/56s if he flats those to your 3 bet. Do you think he can have 35 2 pair combos?

How active had you been do you have any session stats? Do you think a better play would be to flat pre in this kind of tournament when the stacks are so deep early? especially considering how much people love to squeeze?

Do you think he leads 77-JJ here to fold to a raise and reassess turns when called?


If you call the flop, how often do we reckon to get a free river card and how do we act on different turns is kinda important.

God how the f do you get 283 bets in in a tourny.

[gatso]

Villain is Eric Baldwin who I have never played against, but various people have told me he is excellent..

what should I do here?

PokerStars Game #33081856623: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2009/09/20 22:42:27 WET [2009/09/20 17:42:27 ET]
Table '200909045 205' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AWice (21530 in chips)
Seat 2: sYsonator (16470 in chips)
Seat 3: chrisjester (18950 in chips)
Seat 4: inTilt (21010 in chips)
Seat 5: grindnitout (24205 in chips)
Seat 6: GotURead (22315 in chips)
Seat 7: Beto777 (21005 in chips)
Seat 8: basebaldy (17375 in chips)
Seat 9: The Camel (17515 in chips)
sYsonator: posts small blind 30
chrisjester: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [As Ah]
inTilt: folds
grindnitout: folds
GotURead: folds
Beto777: folds
AWice said, "lol i only listen to players that win"
AWice said, "sry"
AWice said, "like camel"

lol, I only read this far into your obv brag post

[Royal Flush]

Ha yeah obv brag post about being a winner.

I hate the raise pre, flat and play da streets.

I can only see one option now, flat.

God how the f do you get 283 bets in in a tourny.

By being a nit, the true playa's had 500+ by now.

[AndrewT]

Interested here in the hate for the raise pre with AA.

Is this simply because we're so deepstacked in a tourney with players who are supposed to know what they're doing that it smacks of being too obvious and will let them knock us about later in the hand?

Are Flushy/Trigg re-raising any hand here, something like six five blue, or just flatting anything they're playing?

[Royal Flush]

Interested here in the hate for the raise pre with AA.

Is this simply because we're so deepstacked in a tourney with players who are supposed to know what they're doing that it smacks of being too obvious and will let them knock us about later in the hand?

Are Flushy/Trigg re-raising any hand here, something like six five blue, or just flatting anything they're playing?

I probably just flat my entire range but yeah would rather 3b 56blue than AA, post flop i never want to play a big pot with 1 pair and if AA improves past 1 pair its near impossible to win a big pot, that is unless someone flops an underset in which case we get paid if we flat anyway (also they would be wary of top set this deep if we had 3b)

Anyway yeah pretty much flat our whole range unless we are thinning.

[The Camel]

Fair enough, I prolly should have flatted and I did consider it but Baldwin had played pretty tight to this point and hadn't opened more than 2 pots in 45 minutes. I was obv hoping he had KK or QQ and we could play for stacks pre.

Anyways he here is how the pot developed:

PokerStars Game #33081856623: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2009/09/20 22:42:27 WET [2009/09/20 17:42:27 ET]
Table '200909045 205' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AWice (21530 in chips)
Seat 2: sYsonator (16470 in chips)
Seat 3: chrisjester (18950 in chips)
Seat 4: inTilt (21010 in chips)
Seat 5: grindnitout (24205 in chips)
Seat 6: GotURead (22315 in chips)
Seat 7: Beto777 (21005 in chips)
Seat 8: basebaldy (17375 in chips)
Seat 9: The Camel (17515 in chips)
sYsonator: posts small blind 30
chrisjester: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [As Ah]
inTilt: folds
grindnitout: folds
GotURead: folds
Beto777: folds
AWice said, "lol i only listen to players that win"
AWice said, "sry"
AWice said, "like camel"
basebaldy: raises 120 to 180
chrisjester said, "then you should listen to me"
AWice said, "beto, goturead, baldy"
The Camel: raises 360 to 540
AWice said, "they all win"
AWice: folds
sYsonator: folds
chrisjester: folds
basebaldy: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [ ]
basebaldy: bets 775
The Camel: calls 775
*** TURN *** [ ] []
AWice said, "ya nitgrinding 1/2 NL isnt being a winner"
basebaldy: bets 1465
The Camel: calls 1465
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
basebaldy: bets 4775


Call or pass?

[AlexMartin]

Lo Kieth, im 1000% unconvinced about not having a 3b range preflop, it sits uncomfortably with me. Mainly because i think preflop aggression has such enormous image value, especially in early stages when there is abundant dead wood that overplays marginal holdings. I think its a style thing personally, although i could debate it to the max. As played, call, call, call is perfectly fine. Raising overeps your hand and even though i expect hes almost never bluffing, your range looks like AK/AQ/QQ a lot. His river betsizing is scary, but fuck that, we have AA and his line is freaky.

[titaniumbean]

Fair enough, I prolly should have flatted and I did consider it but Baldwin had played pretty tight to this point and hadn't opened more than 2 pots in 45 minutes. I was obv hoping he had KK or QQ and we could play for stacks pre.

Anyways he here is how the pot developed:

PokerStars Game #33081856623: Tournament #200909045, $5000+$200 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2009/09/20 22:42:27 WET [2009/09/20 17:42:27 ET]
Table '200909045 205' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AWice (21530 in chips)
Seat 2: sYsonator (16470 in chips)
Seat 3: chrisjester (18950 in chips)
Seat 4: inTilt (21010 in chips)
Seat 5: grindnitout (24205 in chips)
Seat 6: GotURead (22315 in chips)
Seat 7: Beto777 (21005 in chips)
Seat 8: basebaldy (17375 in chips)
Seat 9: The Camel (17515 in chips)
sYsonator: posts small blind 30
chrisjester: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Camel [As Ah]
inTilt: folds
grindnitout: folds
GotURead: folds
Beto777: folds
AWice said, "lol i only listen to players that win"
AWice said, "sry"
AWice said, "like camel"
basebaldy: raises 120 to 180
chrisjester said, "then you should listen to me"
AWice said, "beto, goturead, baldy"
The Camel: raises 360 to 540
AWice said, "they all win"
AWice: folds
sYsonator: folds
chrisjester: folds
basebaldy: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [ ]
basebaldy: bets 775
The Camel: calls 775
*** TURN *** [ ] []
AWice said, "ya nitgrinding 1/2 NL isnt being a winner"
basebaldy: bets 1465
The Camel: calls 1465
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
basebaldy: bets 4775


Call or pass?

God how sick.

I dunno i'd probably call river but i'm really not liking it. Considering how we dont like many of our options post I think it shows why we should flat pre. When we 3 bet and we have the hand it looks like every time we get lead into it's horrible and we are stuck to only calling or folding imo.

keith you said you'd played pretty snug (had you shown anything down/done any other 3bets?), do you not think that is more of a reason to flat than to try and get him to put in so many bets pre against a tight player.

also if checked to i'm assuming we are checking back the flop?

[George2Loose]

Disgusting decision. I'd fold tho. *puke*

[BulldozerD]

it looks awfully like he is taking you on a trip to valuetown and I'd really want to fold this

[Royal Flush]

your range looks like AK/AQ/QQ a lot.

This isnt 5-10 a European site, this is a $5kfo on PokerStars.

especially in early stages when there is abundant dead wood that overplays marginal holdings.

Again plz play this event!

[Royal Flush]

Oh i fold.