2 recent hands

[julian]

i think it was a queen high flop, i turned the 9...

the second hand i'm afraid to say that i pushed after a short dwell....folding just felt too weak after the preflop call & calling just felt too passive & potentialy committing.
him leading out for the pot put some fuzziness in my mind & i'll admit i was really unsure what to - in these spots i hate taking too much time as that makes any aggressive action look suspicious so i opted for the big heave, figuring he'd have to be a hero to call with a-q/a-j.
i swear to god he took a whole minute (i was feeling guuuud), stood up called with a-k.
suddenly didn't feel so guuuud

[EvilPie]

there both folds imo. Hand 1 your oppo is too shallow to set mine. Vs some oppo's you can set mine here but not against somone who is gonna fire 100% of flops and leave you guessing. Hand 2 is tough, if you think you can read him well and sometimes bluff him off a flop he didnt connect with then i suppose a call is just about OK. without history of him 3betting then i would fold.

Agree with Trigg here.

Fair enough we've got this read because oppo didn't look at his cards but so what.

We've raised with 99 and we've been looked up. To me we're still a bit too deep to potentially go bust with a non premium hand based purely on a physical read that may well be a reverse read.

Set mining isn't an option because we're not deep enough so just pass. Possibly even show it if you want to rock up your reputation and possibly get someone to pass AK later on

EDIT: Obviously we're not going bust because we have oppo covered but I think you know what I mean.

[AlexMartin]

we can call with the 99 pre if our read is stronger, setmiming 99 here is horrible as trigg stated. Calling gives us deffo more than 1 way to win the pot, but we need to understand and have a strong read on villain.

[Autobetkev]

ty cos,
yeah, prob a good idea, need to work on my lingo, i gather 'back-raise' is enough to tilt some folk...

Im another who is glad to see you post on here Julian, although the phrase 'back-raise' should be confined to the poker scrapheap.
The only sentance it fits into is "They were sooooooted, it's my favourite hand, I knew I was behind but I still back-raised him"!!!

[EvilPie]

ty cos,
yeah, prob a good idea, need to work on my lingo, i gather 'back-raise' is enough to tilt some folk...

Im another who is glad to see you post on here Julian, although the phrase 'back-raise' should be confined to the poker scrapheap.
The only sentance it fits into is "They were sooooooted, it's my favourite hand, I knew I was behind but I still back-raised him"!!!

From Wadey on Kev's account.

FYP

[mondatoo]

Just noticed your sig Evil,lololol

[titaniumbean]

Just noticed your sig Evil,lololol

last line is so lol.

[tikay]

Just noticed your sig Evil,lololol

last line is so lol.

WTF?

[tikay]

By the bye, wonderful to see Thewy Posting on here. Breath of fresh air.

He has my permission to use any legit poker expressiion he so desires. Including "backraise".

[titaniumbean]

Just noticed your sig Evil,lololol

last line is so lol.

WTF?

"/snipped....... However he is a bit of a fish."

[MANTIS01]

there both folds imo. Hand 1 your oppo is too shallow to set mine. Vs some oppo's you can set mine here but not against somone who is gonna fire 100% of flops and leave you guessing. Hand 2 is tough, if you think you can read him well and sometimes bluff him off a flop he didnt connect with then i suppose a call is just about OK. without history of him 3betting then i would fold.

Agree with Trigg here.

Fair enough we've got this read because oppo didn't look at his cards but so what.

We've raised with 99 and we've been looked up. To me we're still a bit too deep to potentially go bust with a non premium hand based purely on a physical read that may well be a reverse read.

Set mining isn't an option because we're not deep enough so just pass. Possibly even show it if you want to rock up your reputation and possibly get someone to pass AK later on

EDIT: Obviously we're not going bust because we have oppo covered but I think you know what I mean.

Aren't we turning 9-9 into a bluff if we raise/fold when we get looked up? bvb against a player who plays his cards in the dark this seems awfully weak. We are saying that after limping in the dark we know for sure villain has woken up with one of the 5 hands that can beat us. And I don't know how we can say that.

[julian]

there both folds imo. Hand 1 your oppo is too shallow to set mine. Vs some oppo's you can set mine here but not against somone who is gonna fire 100% of flops and leave you guessing. Hand 2 is tough, if you think you can read him well and sometimes bluff him off a flop he didnt connect with then i suppose a call is just about OK. without history of him 3betting then i would fold.

Agree with Trigg here.

Fair enough we've got this read because oppo didn't look at his cards but so what.

We've raised with 99 and we've been looked up. To me we're still a bit too deep to potentially go bust with a non premium hand based purely on a physical read that may well be a reverse read.

Set mining isn't an option because we're not deep enough so just pass. Possibly even show it if you want to rock up your reputation and possibly get someone to pass AK later on

EDIT: Obviously we're not going bust because we have oppo covered but I think you know what I mean.

wow, feel free to call me an old school live donk but folding 99 pre to a 3 bet blind on blind just feels way too passive, esp considering what we've seen in a short 30 mins from this guy.
i agree in the clear light of day that the a-10s should prob be a (reluctant) fold.
tx for the input guys.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

i think it was a queen high flop, i turned the 9...

the second hand i'm afraid to say that i pushed after a short dwell....folding just felt too weak after the preflop call & calling just felt too passive & potentialy committing.
him leading out for the pot put some fuzziness in my mind & i'll admit i was really unsure what to - in these spots i hate taking too much time as that makes any aggressive action look suspicious so i opted for the big heave, figuring he'd have to be a hero to call with a-q/a-j.
i swear to god he took a whole minute (i was feeling guuuud), stood up called with a-k.
suddenly didn't feel so guuuud

I don't get it. So you are turning your AT into a bluff. Forcing out all his bluffs and only allowing him to call with a hand that beats you?

[EvilPie]

there both folds imo. Hand 1 your oppo is too shallow to set mine. Vs some oppo's you can set mine here but not against somone who is gonna fire 100% of flops and leave you guessing. Hand 2 is tough, if you think you can read him well and sometimes bluff him off a flop he didnt connect with then i suppose a call is just about OK. without history of him 3betting then i would fold.

Agree with Trigg here.

Fair enough we've got this read because oppo didn't look at his cards but so what.

We've raised with 99 and we've been looked up. To me we're still a bit too deep to potentially go bust with a non premium hand based purely on a physical read that may well be a reverse read.

Set mining isn't an option because we're not deep enough so just pass. Possibly even show it if you want to rock up your reputation and possibly get someone to pass AK later on

EDIT: Obviously we're not going bust because we have oppo covered but I think you know what I mean.

Aren't we turning 9-9 into a bluff if we raise/fold when we get looked up? bvb against a player who plays his cards in the dark this seems awfully weak. We are saying that after limping in the dark we know for sure villain has woken up with one of the 5 hands that can beat us. And I don't know how we can say that.

Yes we are turning it in to a bluff but so what?

If we shove or raise aren't we bluffing as well? What calls or back raises us that we beat? Ok we may get 10's to fold but probably not against this oppo. If we're lucky we get a race. Even a nutter probably passes 8's.

We raise with 99 with an effective 85bb stack. Oppo back raises us and now we have a decision.

Yes there's a decent chance we're ahead but I just think we're too deep to risk so much for 3.3k

It's a very tough hand in this situation. Shallow it's easy because we obv jam. Deeper we can set mine or out play post flop depending on oppo.

Also does oppo know that we noticed he hadn't looked? If he does know then it changes the strength of our hand against his dramatically. If not then we've got to take this as it is and say that we've just been 3 bet and we've only got 99.

[mondatoo]

By the bye, wonderful to see Thewy Posting on here. Breath of fresh air.

He has my permission to use any legit poker expressiion he so desires. Including "backraise".

+1 to that,fk the haters say back raise,trips even three of a kind for me good to have someone of your pedigree posting on pha

BTW how do you pay someone a compliment/show respect without being a fanboy ?