Line check for bluff.

[EvilPie]

you out already Matt?

No mate. Decided not to play.

[NoflopsHomer]

Total spew the whole way.

That's actually incredibly helpful by your usual standards.

True, given that I hardly ever post on the PHA board.

But seriously, what do you expect people to say, the line is horrible.

Calling OOP with a marginal holding for a start, there are easier spots to get chips than this so fold, you're not a bad player so you don't need to put yourself into these awkward spots. Alternatively, reraise pre.

Jamming the flop would be better I guess now you've got a piece of it, or at least reraising to commit.

The turn lead for 1/3 of pot, what is your thinking there? Are you going to call if someone jams? If you lead, lead to commit your stack, you haven't got the stack to CRAI now.

Why would you bet so small on the river when you have less than a PSB anyway? Just shove the river here. It's a live comp, people always look for reasons to call instead of fold, so you have to bluff big and valuebet small.

[EvilPie]

Total spew the whole way.

That's actually incredibly helpful by your usual standards.

True, given that I hardly ever post on the PHA board.

But seriously, what do you expect people to say, the line is horrible.

Calling OOP with a marginal holding for a start, there are easier spots to get chips than this so fold, you're not a bad player so you don't need to put yourself into these awkward spots. Alternatively, reraise pre.

Jamming the flop would be better I guess now you've got a piece of it, or at least reraising to commit.

The turn lead for 1/3 of pot, what is your thinking there? Are you going to call if someone jams? If you lead, lead to commit your stack, you haven't got the stack to CRAI now.

Why would you bet so small on the river when you have less than a PSB anyway? Just shove the river here. It's a live comp, people always look for reasons to call instead of fold, so you have to bluff big and valuebet small.

Thanks for the input flops. Yeah I don't like my line at all having thought it through so I tried to take some positives out of it. Main one as I've said is to try to get value from mediocre hands against similar players.

[MANTIS01]

Yeah there's a good chance button was lying but we do have some history against each other with bluffs and hero calls. This is why I tried to make it look like a value bet as this particular oppo loves to make hero calls. The bet size was difficult really. I think like Mantis said if I bet a bit more on the turn say 1200 I can get the bluff through with a jam as it looks more believable.

I appreciate your feedback here guys. Like I said the main thing I'm looking to gain from this hand is to actually be able to make this same play to disguise a made hand against a known hero caller. From what you've both said if I've got 2 pair here or a set I can bet small then represent the bluff on the river? I'm not always looking to protect against draws. I find that that loses a lot of value against certain players.

Do you agree that button's hand is pretty much face up once he's called a bet from both myself and the MP? The NFD is his most likely holding as he isn't scared of either of the other 2 players in the pot.

I agree that button's hand is pretty transparent here. But you've concluded he's on the nfd from his passive play. He's not pushing the action and not scared so he's not protecting his made hand right? So you can see the hole in your turn bet strat. The other two players can easily conclude that you're not pushing the action strong enough which means you're not protecting a made hand either. It's a fine sentiment not to panic with a made hand, but if you do take this same strat to another hand when you do have it remember you did say button called your turn bet easily with his draw. You still want the draws to be feeling a pinch when you set a price or the price is too low imo.

Also I wonder what joker button man does with his transparent hand on the river if you don't v-bet bluff. I mean mp guy is the only one with a hand so when you bluff at least you squeeze him with button behind. If it's checked to captain courageous does he v-bet bluff after snapping your v-bet bluff with mp last to act? I don't get how button wins this hand much of the time.

[AlexMartin]

Good hand. Preflop is dirty, fine on the button sometimes, maybe be a bit more connected though, double gapper limit..plus u could use being twice as deep. Really is an enormous leak that fucks up the whole hand. As played, if ur gonna make big plays like this, you need to make it painful and also credibly rep hands. Sadly the flop and turn are fkedup because now you cant do anything with any real read as you have no information.

 Turn, if ur gonna go with the hand, checkraise allin. If you take this leading turn line, jam the river. Small bets just look like a cheap way to execute a bluff to half decent players, allin looks strong.

FWIW i think its a good call, u rep a whole lot of air and would c/c most of your bluffcatchers on this river v an obvious draw.

[MANTIS01]

Good hand. Preflop is dirty, fine on the button sometimes, maybe be a bit more connected though, double gapper limit..plus u could use being twice as deep. Really is an enormous leak that fucks up the whole hand. As played, if ur gonna make big plays like this, you need to make it painful and also credibly rep hands. Sadly the flop and turn are fkedup because now you cant do anything with any real read as you have no information.

 Turn, if ur gonna go with the hand, checkraise allin. If you take this leading turn line, jam the river. Small bets just look like a cheap way to execute a bluff to half decent players, allin looks strong.

FWIW i think its a good call, u rep a whole lot of air and would c/c most of your bluffcatchers on this river v an obvious draw.

Yeah good post. Not convinced about the call thou. Evil still leads into 2 players for a decent portion of his stack including the mp opener who's still interested in this hand. Maybe I just don't like button's line in general, holding the nfd he smooths all 3 streets with no pair. I reckon if he thinks Evil leads the turn with 6 high like he says he should raise it up when mp flats. He's seeing weakness in front and uses his position to just flat the action with no hand. If he's saying he thinks Evil has 2 hearts as well I don't know what his plan is come the probable blank river.

[George2Loose]

FWIW this is the same villian that stuck K8 in Cos's eye!!!!

[Longy]

FWIW this is the same villian that stuck K8 in Cos's eye!!!!

Really, sounds like a good guy to try and bluff.

[George2Loose]

FWIW this is the same villian that stuck K8 in Cos's eye!!!!

Really, sounds like a good guy to try and bluff.

lol. I was at his table at live MTT in Leicester. He is actually a decent player but a bit spewy in places.

He was bragging about his call with A3