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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2009, 01:31:31 PM » |
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Show the ten..lots of average live players feel obliged to show their hand in return for some mental reason..and def if he was bluffing he wont be able to resist..also show you have a genuine hand and ur not mental raising with any old crap.....
If he is bluffing surely he just shows anyway? Do we care if he shows anyway? Showing we fold top pair when we get action like this is a terrible idea for obvious reasons. I want people to think i am raising with any old crap. |
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2009, 01:34:19 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. |
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2009, 01:37:01 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. |
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2009, 01:49:46 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. We all have different ways of playing..which is great..and its great because theres never a perfectly correct way to play..we are just giving opinions here...i very rarely show but i'm just trying to goad free information from probably an inexperienced player..but i think we drift from the main point of the thread... My play is fold the turn.. i think theres too much danger to invest another 40bb's into this hand..there are plenty of hands to come and we don't have to win every single one...next time we are going to be stronger with a stronger hand and we are going to get this man's money then.. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2009, 01:53:38 PM » |
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I don't think we should be getting 20k in here cos we think villain is random beserko bluffing when he's shown that isn't in his nature. I would say villain thinks he has the best hand...but the history means that he could be thinking that about a worse hand than the one we have, especially considering we only flat his rr on a wet board and the turn bricks. Checking the flop is good advice imo, especially if we don't like playing a big pot with this hand.
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2009, 01:58:21 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. We all have different ways of playing..which is great..and its great because theres never a perfectly correct way to play..we are just giving opinions here...i very rarely show but i'm just trying to goad free information from probably an inexperienced player..but i think we drift from the main point of the thread... My play is fold the turn.. i think theres too much danger to invest another 40bb's into this hand..there are plenty of hands to come and we don't have to win every single one...next time we are going to be stronger with a stronger hand and we are going to get this man's money then.. This is what I don't get why would you call the flop but fold the turn? What changed, what got there? |
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2009, 02:01:23 PM » |
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wouldnt suprise me 1 bit if villain has AK in this hand
i dont think that with the description given of the villain that i am folding top pair here.
I understand the reasoning given to folding - but given the meta game it isnt happening.
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2009, 03:07:07 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. We all have different ways of playing..which is great..and its great because theres never a perfectly correct way to play..we are just giving opinions here...i very rarely show but i'm just trying to goad free information from probably an inexperienced player..but i think we drift from the main point of the thread... My play is fold the turn.. i think theres too much danger to invest another 40bb's into this hand..there are plenty of hands to come and we don't have to win every single one...next time we are going to be stronger with a stronger hand and we are going to get this man's money then.. This is what I don't get why would you call the flop but fold the turn? What changed, what got there? Not a case of anything changing ..we have controlled the pot size and put the next action to him..his turn bet has confirmed we are now playing for all the money..and this is where we decide to go steaming in or play conservative and protect our stack and get the money in in a much less precarious spot...if he is on some Kamikaze bluff let him..sooner or later im catching him and he won't have any outs.. As an aside i finished 2nd in this comp and should have won it tbh .... I had a similar decision on day 2 and made the call in that situation as there were slightly different circumstances.... but here i fold..i got my answer and I follow my instincts that im beat and im about to do half my stack when there is no need to.. |
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2009, 03:22:44 PM » |
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Sorry guys if you just can't fold one pair some times..and this is live not internet... then ur not gonna do well.
DAY 1
OK going in 15k and 40 min levels ideal for some serious small pot poker,..
Hand 1 of the tournament ... +1 limps for 50 followed by 2 more ..me BB with KK...well hellooooo that's a nice start..OK we need to thin this crowd to a manageable level and if I lose them all that's OK to..
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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2009, 03:44:27 PM » |
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Sorry guys if you just can't fold one pair some times..and this is live not internet... then ur not gonna do well.
DAY 1
OK going in 15k and 40 min levels ideal for some serious small pot poker,..
Hand 1 of the tournament ... +1 limps for 50 followed by 2 more ..me BB with KK...well hellooooo that's a nice start..OK we need to thin this crowd to a manageable level and if I lose them all that's OK to..
lol Ssssh ! rooks..arn't you late for school or something... |
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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2009, 09:19:44 PM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. We all have different ways of playing..which is great..and its great because theres never a perfectly correct way to play..we are just giving opinions here...i very rarely show but i'm just trying to goad free information from probably an inexperienced player..but i think we drift from the main point of the thread... My play is fold the turn.. i think theres too much danger to invest another 40bb's into this hand..there are plenty of hands to come and we don't have to win every single one...next time we are going to be stronger with a stronger hand and we are going to get this man's money then.. This is what I don't get why would you call the flop but fold the turn? What changed, what got there? Not a case of anything changing ..we have controlled the pot size and put the next action to him..his turn bet has confirmed we are now playing for all the money..and this is where we decide to go steaming in or play conservative and protect our stack and get the money in in a much less precarious spot...if he is on some Kamikaze bluff let him..sooner or later im catching him and he won't have any outs.. As an aside i finished 2nd in this comp and should have won it tbh .... I had a similar decision on day 2 and made the call in that situation as there were slightly different circumstances.... but here i fold..i got my answer and I follow my instincts that im beat and im about to do half my stack when there is no need to.. This is funny Dean, reminds me of a time when I was having a bit of a friendly spat with our Sales Director at a Management Meeting. Now since he's in Sales he earns a bit more than me, a lowly Operations Director, but since he is in Sales he is also not quite as smart as me and that's even setting aside that I iz the dogz cojoneeez in a business sense. Anyway, towards the end of the spat when I finally have his neck under my shoe he came out with the now legendary line in our little world .. and to paraphrase. " You can just STFU as I earn more than you " Much chortling all round |
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2009, 12:10:35 AM » |
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i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).
On the flop all 3 choices are viable... fold/call/jam... we don't want to give up and calling with position controls the pot and puts the next move on him..lots of average live players bluffing the flop will suddenly bottle it and check.. He's angry with us, he doesn't like having to check fold every time. If I fold this I would never show it. I wouldn't fold though. We all have different ways of playing..which is great..and its great because theres never a perfectly correct way to play..we are just giving opinions here...i very rarely show but i'm just trying to goad free information from probably an inexperienced player..but i think we drift from the main point of the thread... My play is fold the turn.. i think theres too much danger to invest another 40bb's into this hand..there are plenty of hands to come and we don't have to win every single one...next time we are going to be stronger with a stronger hand and we are going to get this man's money then.. This is what I don't get why would you call the flop but fold the turn? What changed, what got there? Not a case of anything changing ..we have controlled the pot size and put the next action to him..his turn bet has confirmed we are now playing for all the money..and this is where we decide to go steaming in or play conservative and protect our stack and get the money in in a much less precarious spot...if he is on some Kamikaze bluff let him..sooner or later im catching him and he won't have any outs.. As an aside i finished 2nd in this comp and should have won it tbh .... I had a similar decision on day 2 and made the call in that situation as there were slightly different circumstances.... but here i fold..i got my answer and I follow my instincts that im beat and im about to do half my stack when there is no need to.. This is funny Dean, reminds me of a time when I was having a bit of a friendly spat with our Sales Director at a Management Meeting. Now since he's in Sales he earns a bit more than me, a lowly Operations Director, but since he is in Sales he is also not quite as smart as me and that's even setting aside that I iz the dogz cojoneeez in a business sense. Anyway, towards the end of the spat when I finally have his neck under my shoe he came out with the now legendary line in our little world .. and to paraphrase. " You can just STFU as I earn more than you " Much chortling all round LOL think it comes under the heading 'FUCK YOU '... |
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2009, 12:20:12 AM » |
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Cos u folded right?
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2009, 01:19:11 AM » |
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When he bet 11k I moved in for the 6 he had back too.
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2009, 01:38:24 AM » |
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furry muff. if you won you played it well if you lost you played it bad fwiw.
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