Oh dear god but i have a hand sir

[AlexMartin]

Villain has been very active, 45/25 or something, kinda nutty.

My image is active too, as iv been isolating him wide obviously as we are deep +pos. thoughts on this tought river spot?


***** Hand History for Game 2862899250 ***** (Prima)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 28, 11:02:45 ET 2009
Table DeepStack43 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: -AngelEyes- ( $402.00 USD )
Seat 2: olla91 ( $35.38 USD )
Seat 3: _Villain_ ( $406.20 USD )
Seat 4: Givemecash09 ( $454.38 USD )
Seat 5: _HaMmerHead_ ( $403.35 USD )
Seat 6: Bouny1 ( $179.90 USD )
Bouny1 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
-AngelEyes- posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
Dealt to _HaMmerHead_ [  ]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
_Villain_ folds
Givemecash09 raises [$4.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$4.00 USD]
Bouny1 calls [$3.00 USD]
-AngelEyes- calls [$2.00 USD]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Bouny1 checks
-AngelEyes- checks
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
Bouny1 folds
-AngelEyes- folds
olla91 calls [$10.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
olla91 folds
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Givemecash09 bets [$30.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ raises [$86.00 USD]
Givemecash09 raises [$200.00 USD]

[GreekStein]

Don't think I like getting involved pre.

Now is where one of my hold em leaks comes in, I think I'm beat but I still call.

[titaniumbean]

I don't know much about the dynamics and how he views you or how he has played post flop....


from the 10 10 30 bet sizing feels like he thought he's best, board didn't bring an over card = he happy to keep betting, river another no over so I would assume that the river re-raise is always for value thinking he has the best hand, however he's a 45/25 and if we've been pounding him he can definitely be value betting worse. Is villain thinking even slightly what we have or is he going to be just irrationally scared by whatever comes that he doesn't like and overly happy if the board doesn't necessarily come scary.

Do we have any idea what his min-raising range is pre? or is that his standard open? Also how passive is he?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

[titaniumbean]

I think he's pair mining.

[Ironside]

i value call the river

cant fold the trips

but his range does include 77 j9 69  and 87 all of which crush you

[AlexMartin]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

yes

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

yes

Ahh, wp then.

[Drain Alien]

Villain has been very active, 45/25 or something, kinda nutty.

My image is active too, as iv been isolating him wide obviously as we are deep +pos. thoughts on this tought river spot?


***** Hand History for Game 2862899250 ***** (Prima)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 28, 11:02:45 ET 2009
Table DeepStack43 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: -AngelEyes- ( $402.00 USD )
Seat 2: olla91 ( $35.38 USD )
Seat 3: _Villain_ ( $406.20 USD )
Seat 4: Givemecash09 ( $454.38 USD )
Seat 5: _HaMmerHead_ ( $403.35 USD )
Seat 6: Bouny1 ( $179.90 USD )
Bouny1 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
-AngelEyes- posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
Dealt to _HaMmerHead_ [  ]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
_Villain_ folds
Givemecash09 raises [$4.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$4.00 USD]
Bouny1 calls [$3.00 USD]
-AngelEyes- calls [$2.00 USD]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Bouny1 checks
-AngelEyes- checks
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
Bouny1 folds
-AngelEyes- folds
olla91 calls [$10.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
olla91 folds
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Givemecash09 bets [$30.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ raises [$86.00 USD]
Givemecash09 raises [$200.00 USD]

So wot happened then MrNutsinavice?

[bolt pp]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

lol

[AlexMartin]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

yes

Ahh, wp then.

thanks mate. dont think its a great idea to isolate in this specific hand as there is a dude with 35E that crept in, any iso will price me into a call. cheers for posting though we need more oracle input imo.

[AlexMartin]

I don't know much about the dynamics and how he views you or how he has played post flop....


from the 10 10 30 bet sizing feels like he thought he's best, board didn't bring an over card = he happy to keep betting, river another no over so I would assume that the river re-raise is always for value thinking he has the best hand, however he's a 45/25 and if we've been pounding him he can definitely be value betting worse. Is villain thinking even slightly what we have or is he going to be just irrationally scared by whatever comes that he doesn't like and overly happy if the board doesn't necessarily come scary.

Do we have any idea what his min-raising range is pre? or is that his standard open? Also how passive is he?

Nah hes pretty cold. I think folding pre would be bad 200bb deep on the button v a random i have an edge over. Not really a huge idea on his minraising range. Tbh in the end i just thought that its hard for me to ever have a boat here (108 is the one hand) and his betsizing is so small if hes flopped huge (flop turn and esp river value) and his river line is just so nutnut as a rep (1010). Figured id call the 1st time around as per se, just to see what the fuck he was doing. Im turning into such a nit when i need trips to hero call.

***** Hand History for Game 2862899250 ***** (Prima)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 28, 11:02:45 ET 2009
Table DeepStack43 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: -AngelEyes- ( $402.00 USD )
Seat 2: olla91 ( $35.38 USD )
Seat 3: _Villain_ ( $406.20 USD )
Seat 4: Givemecash09 ( $454.38 USD )
Seat 5: _HaMmerHead_ ( $403.35 USD )
Seat 6: Bouny1 ( $179.90 USD )
Bouny1 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
-AngelEyes- posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
Dealt to _HaMmerHead_ [  ]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
_Villain_ folds
Givemecash09 raises [$4.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$4.00 USD]
Bouny1 calls [$3.00 USD]
-AngelEyes- calls [$2.00 USD]
olla91 calls [$2.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Bouny1 checks
-AngelEyes- checks
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
Bouny1 folds
-AngelEyes- folds
olla91 calls [$10.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
olla91 checks
Givemecash09 bets [$10.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$10.00 USD]
olla91 folds
** Dealing River ** [ ]
Givemecash09 bets [$30.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ raises [$86.00 USD]
Givemecash09 raises [$200.00 USD]
_HaMmerHead_ calls [$144.00 USD]
Givemecash09 shows [, ]
_HaMmerHead_ shows [, ]
_HaMmerHead_ wins $527.00 USD from main pot

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Is this your idea of isolating pre?

yes

Ahh, wp then.

thanks mate. dont think its a great idea to isolate in this specific hand as there is a dude with 35E that crept in, any iso will price me into a call. cheers for posting though we need more oracle input imo.

just fold pre mong.

[titaniumbean]

I think folding pre would be bad 200bb deep on the button v a random i have an edge over.

How about 3 betting to 9-12 pre? Has he 4 bet much if not then constantly small 3 betting to isolate would work if the other players at the table didn't want to share him too much.

Not really a huge idea on his minraising range.
Figured id call the 1st time around as per se, just to see what the fuck he was doing.

I think the first line makes the second line mandatory with trips here.

Tbh in the end i just thought that its hard for me to ever have a boat here (108 is the one hand) and his betsizing is so small if hes flopped huge (flop turn and esp river value) and his river line is just so nutnut as a rep (1010).

is he really thinking about what you could/should have? ie do you think he has turned his T into a bruff after you raise the river. If not, then I think it's less likely this is because you aren't strong here often leading him to try to move you off your hand and more a case of him just value betting worse because of how he is thinking about his hand strength relatively on each street.

[AlexMartin]

I think folding pre would be bad 200bb deep on the button v a random i have an edge over.

How about 3 betting to 9-12 pre? Has he 4 bet much if not then constantly small 3 betting to isolate would work if the other players at the table didn't want to share him too much.

Previously i had been 3betting pre IP obviously and woulda done had the shorty not limped.

Not really a huge idea on his minraising range.
Figured id call the 1st time around as per se, just to see what the fuck he was doing.

I think the first line makes the second line mandatory with trips here.

Tbh in the end i just thought that its hard for me to ever have a boat here (108 is the one hand) and his betsizing is so small if hes flopped huge (flop turn and esp river value) and his river line is just so nutnut as a rep (1010).

is he really thinking about what you could/should have? ie do you think he has turned his T into a bruff after you raise the river. If not, then I think it's less likely this is because you aren't strong here often leading him to try to move you off your hand and more a case of him just value betting worse because of how he is thinking about his hand strength relatively on each street.

honestly after quite a long session with him im still unsure if he was good/bad or indifferent. Pretty certain here he was turning his hand into a bluff which was kinda distrubing as his handreading was decent.