How much do you raise on the river?

[810ofclubs]

this a joke thread?

[titaniumbean]

this a joke thread?

I dunno im well confused.

[Jon MW]

this a joke thread?

this a joke thread?

I dunno im well confused.

 

[GreekStein]

General discussion about betting/value raising v thin is good.

Just happens this is a spot in which we shouldn't raise.

[KarmaDope]

General discussion about betting/value raising v thin is good.

Just happens this is a spot we shouldn't be in because we've well and truly messed up the hand by playing QQ like 66.

FYP.

[GreekStein]

General discussion about betting/value raising v thin is good.

Just happens this is a spot we shouldn't be in because we've well and truly messed up the hand by playing QQ like 66.

FYP.

I'm trying to help change the tone of PHA.

[KarmaDope]

General discussion about betting/value raising v thin is good.

Just happens this is a spot we shouldn't be in because we've well and truly messed up the hand by playing QQ like 66.

FYP.

I'm trying to help change the tone of PHA.

I agree, but in effect this is what MW has done. He's played a super-strength hand like he would play a small-medium pair OOP.

Raise pre, raise the flop and look to get it all in on the turn. Even if villain shows up with something like Kx we have draws to the flush and if he shows up with Acxc then we have draws to the house.

[EvilPie]

I've just gone through the HH again Jon. You've played the hand passively every street by flatting which is fine if that's how you want to play this hand. I don't like it but if you don't want to play big pots then that's up to you if you're more comfortable playing small ball.

The thing I don't understand is why do you suddenly want to start getting aggressive when you've finally achieved what looked to be your aim of getting to a cheap showdown?

[Jon MW]

I've just gone through the HH again Jon. You've played the hand passively every street by flatting which is fine if that's how you want to play this hand. I don't like it but if you don't want to play big pots then that's up to you if you're more comfortable playing small ball.

The thing I don't understand is why do you suddenly want to start getting aggressive when you've finally achieved what looked to be your aim of getting to a cheap showdown?

Because at the showdown I've ruled out from their hand ranges every hand that beats me (although in hindsight I missed a couple that did)

The only way I'm likely to be wrong is if they have a monster hand which they'll shove on me with - but I think that's only a very small likelihood.

And if they have the narrow range of hands I put them on, there are a few which they'll call my raise with.

[MANTIS01]

I've just gone through the HH again Jon. You've played the hand passively every street by flatting which is fine if that's how you want to play this hand. I don't like it but if you don't want to play big pots then that's up to you if you're more comfortable playing small ball.

The thing I don't understand is why do you suddenly want to start getting aggressive when you've finally achieved what looked to be your aim of getting to a cheap showdown?

I think it's ok to suddenly get busy and look for value with a hand you've previously underrepped if you think your hand is good. Or else why would you underrep a hand? I agree in this example thou because I don't think hero is ever actually setting any kind of trap. The problem for Jon is he's looking for value on the river of this valueless board, when according to the dynamics of the table the value in his hand was pre-flop.

[pleno1]

you have the third best hand in holdem, dont be scared, raise baby.

[Royal Flush]

Is there a limit you would risk pre? 100 blinds, 1000 blinds, 10000blinds?

Does it make a difference that every player who is agressive on this table preflop folds post flop if they miss? (safe risk free small pots - I like those).

I would get a billion BB's in pre if the guy has AT in his range.

Yes deffo all the more reason to try and get it in pre, also i would be playing a lot more trash hands and winning post with them.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

You can win most pots on flop if they miss - ok, well peel wide then and be prepared to shell for the pot if its that easy.

3bet pre here pls - I don't hate calling but in this spot I do 3bet myself.