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« on: October 11, 2009, 05:09:57 AM »

Full Tilt Poker Game #15258254523: $12,500 KO Guarantee (111726577), Table 97 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:03:31 ET - 2009/10/11
Seat 1: putyabees (4,230)
Seat 2: oilers69111 (6,085)
Seat 3: Next-Gen413 (7,795)
Seat 4: pocookie (1,755)
Seat 5: G Q - J 10 (6,845)
Seat 6: PennyVincenzi (5,625)
oilers69111 posts the small blind of 40
Next-Gen413 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PennyVincenzi [Two Diamonds three diamonds]
pocookie folds
G Q - J 10 raises to 240
PennyVincenzi calls 240
putyabees folds
oilers69111 folds
Next-Gen413 calls 160
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Next-Gen413 checks
G Q - J 10 bets 320
PennyVincenzi raises to 740
Next-Gen413 folds
G Q - J 10 has 15 seconds left to act
G Q - J 10 calls 420
*** TURN *** [ ] []
G Q - J 10 checks
PennyVincenzi bets 1,450
G Q - J 10 calls 1,450
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
G Q - J 10 checks
PennyVincenzi bets 3,195, and is all in

Villain had ran me over last few pots, I havn't raised any flops yet. He has 100% cbet stats. I put him on 2 broadways with As, maybe AK with As, or AJ with As.

I have recently been building alot of pots so that I can shove rivers, si this pretty spewy or ok?
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2009, 11:55:33 AM »

its just spewy, people dont minraise the flop with a flush draw often, more ikely air or a set/2pair, so when the spade comes and your not wary, you keep betting this narrows your range to mosty air. I dont like any of the play.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2009, 01:04:37 PM »

Im not sure what you are representing that you think he is folding too?

He raised pre and you flatted - that removes alot of your repping range which he can fold to!

You raise hos flop bet and get called

he check calls the turn

Im just not sure it looks like he is folding the river as played................. fair play on your read if he does - but it looks like he is calling to me (possible even with a KJ KQ AJ type hand - with a missed 4 flush in there too)

Looks spewy to me - why you going crazy at 40/80 with low suited connectors?
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2009, 02:11:06 PM »

Completely spewy. Early stages of a big MTT and you're using your chips to set up an elaborate and intricate play with no hand no draw and very little information about how villain will react to your story. Inappropriate and unnecessarily risky use of the chips you've acquired after a solid start. Seems to stem from the frustration of villain hammering you more than any realistic strategy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2009, 04:01:43 PM »

Does anybody actually play  Two Diamonds three diamonds? If so why?
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2009, 04:08:48 PM »

Does anybody actually play  Two Diamonds three diamonds? If so why?

I never fold it live cos it feels so good if you get to showdown and show them that you put 23 in their eye
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 04:20:00 PM »

Does anybody actually play  Two Diamonds three diamonds? If so why?

I never fold it live cos it feels so good if you get to showdown and show them that you put 23 in their eye

lol you are so unashamed at being.... SICK!
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 02:16:07 AM »

Pretty sexy, way hotter since the river pairs the board. wp.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 03:45:53 AM »

Pretty sexy, way hotter since the river pairs the board. wp.

I think I shove any river apart from a J/Q, I'm not sure what I do if a spade comes, I guess I shove too. 5 is a pretty awesome card though, although it makes KK/AA snap me I think.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 04:03:06 AM »

Stack sizes make this utterly awful.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 05:45:11 AM »

Stack sizes make this utterly awful.

Explain please? Not saying I disagree or anything like that, would just like to know for future reference, just the fact we are so deep and absolutely no need? I guess I raised flop as he was cbetting his entire range and wanted control of table as think that's important for 6max, will let me see some cheap turns in future too, when he flats, turn is a perfect card for me to rep, then when the river paired the board I thought stack sizes were good to shove river. Obv on river it is really confusing what I'm trying to rep as I check behind alot of two pairs/sets on the tur to pick off river bluffs I guess I bet turn and river with flush though and I guess he probably folded AJ/KQ/KJ with one spade kinda hands.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 08:01:41 AM »

Stack sizes make this utterly awful.

Explain please? Not saying I disagree or anything like that, would just like to know for future reference, just the fact we are so deep and absolutely no need? I guess I raised flop as he was cbetting his entire range and wanted control of table as think that's important for 6max, will let me see some cheap turns in future too, when he flats, turn is a perfect card for me to rep, then when the river paired the board I thought stack sizes were good to shove river. Obv on river it is really confusing what I'm trying to rep as I check behind alot of two pairs/sets on the tur to pick off river bluffs I guess I bet turn and river with flush though and I guess he probably folded AJ/KQ/KJ with one spade kinda hands.

You use half your starting stack to set up a river bluff which constitutes little more than a half pot bet.
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 12:39:10 PM »

and, by the same reasoning, he should never be bluffing...
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 02:40:35 PM »

and, by the same reasoning, he should never be bluffing...

Fair enough if you're playing the hand in a vacuum. This is early in a big MTT so donks and dead wood not yet filtered out and you have no info on villain so the move remains reckless and inappropriate.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 02:51:48 PM »

and, by the same reasoning, he should never be bluffing...

Fair enough if you're playing the hand in a vacuum. This is early in a big MTT so donks and dead wood not yet filtered out and you have no info on villain so the move remains reckless and inappropriate.

We do have info on the villain he has raised alot and has cbet 100% of the time, we have a tight image here too.
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