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George2Loose
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« on: October 28, 2009, 11:44:51 PM »

I have villian on AQ/AJ the whole hand.

Should I 3 bet pre or is calling out of sb ok?Huh?

What do I do on the river???

Full Tilt Poker Game #15646421182: Table Plomosa (6 max, ante, deep) - $1/$2 Ante $0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:40:43 ET - 2009/10/28
Seat 1: OdiN1337 ($395.80)
Seat 2: OFC Farva ($406.90)
Seat 3: George2Loose ($276.70)
Seat 4: Figool ($545.75)
Seat 6: Jason Suh ($204.60)
George2Loose antes $0.30
Jason Suh antes $0.30
Figool antes $0.30
OFC Farva antes $0.30
OdiN1337 antes $0.30
George2Loose posts the small blind of $1
Figool posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
Jason Suh folds
OdiN1337 raises to $6
OFC Farva folds
George2Loose calls $5
Figool calls $4
*** FLOP *** [ ]
George2Loose checks
Figool checks
OdiN1337 has 15 seconds left to act
OdiN1337 bets $14
George2Loose raises to $30
Figool folds
OdiN1337 has 15 seconds left to act
OdiN1337 calls $16
*** TURN *** [ ] []
George2Loose has 15 seconds left to act
George2Loose bets $45
OdiN1337 has 15 seconds left to act
TROMS19 sits down
OdiN1337 calls $45
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
George2Loose Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 11:47:51 PM »

normally i like to canoe

but here  check call cause he is going to bet his AQ and you cant fold AK

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 01:58:02 AM »

Why so sure he has AQ/AJ?

Have you any history with this player? How likely is that he will bluff a missed draw if you check to him?

With the strength you've shown thus far, it seems to me unlikely that he would attempt a bluff, and even less likely to raise-bluff if you value bet. So value bet!
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 02:01:50 AM »

Leave the table while you still can and use the remaining $195 to play 17 $11 mtts where you actually have a chance of victoryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 02:57:04 AM »

why did you minraise flop?
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 04:34:53 AM »

ide 3bet pre but if if taken this line u have to bet river as u might be bettin missed draw in his mind so u get value from aj ace 10. he wont repop river here as he figures u for nuts or air im guessing. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 09:23:05 AM »

I'd 3bet pre for sure - you have ace & king of the same suit
I'd consider leading flop maybe but depends on player

as played if you put him on a lower ace but not a club draw, i would bet/fold to get value out of AJ/AT co if he has a set or AQ you sure will find out. If you think he has a club draw then you could check to induce a bluff. But best line is bet/fold imo

don't understand why you would c/c if you think he has AQ iron, that's bad thinking imo.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 09:37:33 AM »

Bet/fold river?
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 10:10:13 AM »

I'd 3bet pre for sure - you have ace & king of the same suit
I'd consider leading flop maybe but depends on player

as played if you put him on a lower ace but not a club draw, i would bet/fold to get value out of AJ/AT co if he has a set or AQ you sure will find out. If you think he has a club draw then you could check to induce a bluff. But best line is bet/fold imo

don't understand why you would c/c if you think he has AQ iron, that's bad thinking imo.

i dont think he has AQ but OP thinks he has AQ or AJ so on river its 50/50 if he has 2 pair or 1 pair lower kicker
mind you i always lose flips
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 10:18:15 AM »

I'd 3bet pre for sure - you have ace & king of the same suit
I'd consider leading flop maybe but depends on player

as played if you put him on a lower ace but not a club draw, i would bet/fold to get value out of AJ/AT co if he has a set or AQ you sure will find out. If you think he has a club draw then you could check to induce a bluff. But best line is bet/fold imo

don't understand why you would c/c if you think he has AQ iron, that's bad thinking imo.

i dont think he has AQ but OP thinks he has AQ or AJ so on river its 50/50 if he has 2 pair or 1 pair lower kicker
mind you i always lose flips

yeah but he checks behind AJ/AT/Ax alot as he would struggle to bet these for value. However he would probably call a bet with them. Which makes b/f>>>c/c. C/c only makes sense if there is a good chance he has a busted draw and is a player likely to take a shot at it. I like betting somewhere around $70
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 01:41:49 PM »

i checked and villain insta shoved. crying call?
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »

i checked and villain insta shoved. crying call?

you haven't stated any reads on villain so it goes on your gut feel at the time. did you check to induce a bluff or to c/f?

if you checked with plan to induce then finish the job but this really comes down to reads/stats on villain - do you have any river AF stats?
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 01:52:21 PM »

As played, I fold.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 02:01:22 PM »


sigh and fold

you absolutely must 3 bet this pre (what do you 3 bet?).  It is very easy to play then. 

Also this doesn't look like a great table - 3 players happy to buyin at double stack and the rest full stack. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 02:15:18 PM »

I don't think flatting pre is that bad, assuming you are comptent post flop and have a passive(ish) pre flop image. This way we keep all the hands that we have dominated in the pot post flop.

I am with other people on here, that this is clear bet/fold spot on the river, given villians assumed range and no funky history.
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