Very Quick and Easy Question.

[Ironside]

I wonder if players in their twilight years ever think: "I have one more season left in me, let's go for a paycut and play at dogshit park - or 4 seasons if I stay here and warm the bench"?

more likey think they have 4 seasons left if they play in a lower league and 1 season left if they stay at top

look at roy keane though he could extend his carear playing in a lower league team

but after getting kicked off the park by every donkey in the SPL he realised it was over

[The Camel]

I wonder if players in their twilight years ever think: "I have one more season left in me, let's go for a paycut and play at dogshit park - or 4 seasons if I stay here and warm the bench"?

That's totally different.

I can quite understand a player with shot knees and a wife with a credit card habit taking the easy option for one last big payday.

I'm talking about 25 year olds with the best years of their careers ahead of them.

[david3103]

if someone was to offer me 10k a week more to warm the bench then i would say yeah why not that 500k a year 10 years that 5 million
hey thats enough live off for rest of my life and doesnt include the other 50-60k a week i am getting

Yeah but 10k extra a week, isn't going to change Phil Neville/Wes Brown etc standard of life now or in the future. They are pretty much set up for life already assuming no major leaks/bad investments.

Therefore taking a pay cut to get to play week in/week out would be my preference, though I can see why someone players would want to stay with the team they have followed all their lives.

were using 10k as an example how much is brown on and how much could he get at another team could be 25%  or more pay cut i know i wouldnt take that so i have to work harder

Thinking of it in % terms is wrong Iron.

Sure if you were earning £300 a week, you would have to have bloody good reasons to change jobs and accept £225.

But the difference between £40k a week and £30k is much smaller. With both after 5 years you will be set up for life.

Surely it's what you want to achieve as a player? You can look in the trophy cabinet and see all those medals, but in your heart you know you don't deserve to own them.

Sorry, but that's just not right.

It undervalues the concept of the team. Besides which, your issue appears to be that Wes Brown in particular doesn't deserve the medals for some reason. Patently untrue, his contribution, when fit, over the past few seasons has been solid. He's versatile and smart, and should play a lot this season.

[sweet potata!]

if someone was to offer me 10k a week more to warm the bench then i would say yeah why not that 500k a year 10 years that 5 million
hey thats enough live off for rest of my life and doesnt include the other 50-60k a week i am getting

Yeah but 10k extra a week, isn't going to change Phil Neville/Wes Brown etc standard of life now or in the future. They are pretty much set up for life already assuming no major leaks/bad investments.

Therefore taking a pay cut to get to play week in/week out would be my preference, though I can see why someone players would want to stay with the team they have followed all their lives.

were using 10k as an example how much is brown on and how much could he get at another team could be 25%  or more pay cut i know i wouldnt take that so i have to work harder

Thinking of it in % terms is wrong Iron.

Sure if you were earning £300 a week, you would have to have bloody good reasons to change jobs and accept £225.

But the difference between £40k a week and £30k is much smaller. With both after 5 years you will be set up for life.

Surely it's what you want to achieve as a player? You can look in the trophy cabinet and see all those medals, but in your heart you know you don't deserve to own them.

Sorry, but that's just not right.

It undervalues the concept of the team. Besides which, your issue appears to be that Wes Brown in particular doesn't deserve the medals for some reason. Patently untrue, his contribution, when fit, over the past few seasons has been solid. He's versatile and smart, and should play a lot this season.

I agree with David here, been very harsh on poor Wesley here , the lad has been plagued by injuries all his career but imo he upped his game in the last 3 or 4 years and was playing solidly at right back just cant hold down his spot for too long before an injury set in, but Im sure he can sleep easy at night and isnt worried that deep down he didnt deserve them IMO he definitely did.

[The Camel]

I'm sure Phil Neville, Nicky Butt, Louis Saha and countless others could have taken new contracts at Old Trafford but instead decided to actually play football while they still had the chance.

[gatso]

ignoring his breakthrough season when he only played twice, the season he was injured for and this part season brown has played 10 full seasons he's made 316 appearances, been to 2 world cups, played 20 odd times for his country, played in an fa cup final win, a champions league final win and won the premier league 5 times

not sure he would've made more appearances anywhere else and certainly wouldn't have achieved more

if (and it is only an if) he's done all that at his boyhood club then I doubt there'll be many footballers who've ever retired happier with their careers

[The Camel]

ignoring his breakthrough season when he only played twice, the season he was injured for and this part season brown has played 10 full seasons he's made 316 appearances, been to 2 world cups, played 20 odd times for his country, played in an fa cup final win, a champions league final win and won the premier league 5 times

not sure he would've made more appearances anywhere else and certainly wouldn't have achieved more

if (and it is only an if) he's done all that at his boyhood club then I doubt there'll be many footballers who've ever retired happier with their careers

By the age of thirty you would expect an England international to have played over 500 games wouldn't you?

I'm probably being a bit harsh of Brown, because he's certainly not the only player that could be accused of this, I was just astonished he was 30 and still at Old Trafford despite never really being first choice at any position.

[Josedinho]

When fit he's always played enough games to make me think he wasn't just there for the money>

Interestingly both Gary and Phil Neville have captained England.

[gatso]

Interestingly both Gary and Phil Neville have captained England.

wasn't phil's for just a few minutes? one of the shortest stints anyone's ever had in the job

[Josedinho]

Interestingly both Gary and Phil Neville have captained England.

wasn't phil's for just a few minutes? one of the shortest stints anyone's ever had in the job

Yeh it was the game where it was getting lobbed from player to player.

[action man]

hes big
hes bad
its wesley brown

the hardest man, in all of town
with orage hair beware...
come and have a go if you dare.

[Jamier-Host]

He's 30.

FFS, I must be getting old.

I would have guessed 24 or 25.

He won his first England cap in 1999!!!!!!!!!!

Ha.  I've often suggested him as the dullest "top" player in the Premiership.  Earns a fortune for the best team of the last decade but most people forget he's even there, never mind earning a mint and loads of medals.

[The Baron]

Would rather play 30-35 games a season for Liverpool in all comps than 100 anywhere else.