"The Online games are not fair anymore"

[tikay]

If I walked into the Bellagio Poker Room in Las Vegas, I could not ask the Card Room Manager, “Who are your worst players? Can you lock me a seat up to the left of one of them? Where do I get the printout of all the hands everyone here has played over the last 6 months? When my juicy seat comes free can you give me a shout, I’m just nipping into Bobby’s Room to take some notes on the hands being played in there!


http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/partypoker-to-implement-software-changes-to-curb-third-party-software-use-27589/

[Rexas]

Yet another person who doesn't know how HUDs work, how delightful.

[doubleup]

I could not ask the Card Room Manager, “Who are your worst players? Can you lock me a seat up to the left of one of them?

I'm fairly sure if you juiced him enough, he would do just that

[pleno1]

You know what? Online games aren't fair anymore.

The full time professionals who log on every day, are lazy, sloppy, don't study, don't check their stats, don't use their hand histories to learn. They don't stand a chance, we will swallow them up, using our HUD greatly benefits us playing against these guys.

The fish? They will be beaten by whomever they play. It doesn't matter. They usually have tremendous leaks that are almost instantly identifiable. If I gk to dusk till dawn and play every night, I will work out what the fish is doing within an orbit, but the young guy in the hoody who looks like he may be a sicko bit is in reality a very bad reg it may take me months to work out.

I'll reiterate, Good players will win and they will cash out. Bad-good players (bad regs) will not be able to win anymore with huds in place and they will churn a lot of rake and not cash out. Fish will continue to lose.

[titaniumbean]

I could not ask the Card Room Manager, “Who are your worst players? Can you lock me a seat up to the left of one of them?

I'm fairly sure if you juiced him enough, he would do just that

this is more like an onion paragraph. clearly he has never been to a live casino in his life.

[tikay]

U.K. Gambling Commission Announces Review to Look Into Third-Party Software


http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/10/ukgc-third-party-software-review-23014.htm

[horseplayer]

"We want to ensure online poker is crime free and children are protected "

What does it have to do with children?

Get the impression from reading much like their dealing with sports books they have similar knowledge of poker.

[TightEnd]

"Online Poker: The Rise of the Machines" by Rob Yong ahead of the partypoker changes

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/blog.php?profile=4&id=527

[TightEnd]

party poker

 Following our announcement on 1st October we have today introduced the first phase of changes which are set to level the level the playing field and create a fairer environment for our poker players.

As promised, from today two major changes come into effect:

1. Players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated when a seat that matches their preference becomes available
2. Players joining a cash game will see the names of their opponents only once their first hand is dealt

These changes will help to limit the use of third-party online poker tracking software including HUDs and seating scripts whilst improving the poker ecology for all poker players.

The second phase of changes is to be introduced in the coming weeks - this will mean that hand histories will no longer be available for download but will be viewable only from within the partypoker software.

[tikay]

http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/18491/pokerstars-party-poker-third-party-software-policy/

[doubleup]

"We want to ensure online poker is crime free and children are protected "

What does it have to do with children?

Get the impression from reading much like their dealing with sports books they have similar knowledge of poker.

To be fair to the UKGC their press release is simply announcing review of their regulation of online poker and underage gambling would obviously have be part of that review as much as collusion and bots.

As an aside I can definitely see UK ring-fencing as a possibility if onerous regulations, ie labour intensive, are put in place.

  

[SuuPRlim]

1. Players wishing to wait for a cash game will join the room-wide waiting list and be randomly seated when a seat that matches their preference becomes available
2. Players joining a cash game will see the names of their opponents only once their first hand is dealt

Yes there you go Party, this is the biggest thing by a country mile, HUDs is pretty meh really but this is huggggge and this will make the games much nicer to play.

I could write 15 paragraphs on why seat scripts and bumhunting is cancer if online poker compared to HUDs being a graze on your elbow, but everyone just things I'm a disgruntled hud user being bitter!

Seriously this will make a big difference.

Bravo.

[SuuPRlim]

You know what? Online games aren't fair anymore.

The full time professionals who log on every day, are lazy, sloppy, don't study, don't check their stats, don't use their hand histories to learn. They don't stand a chance, we will swallow them up, using our HUD greatly benefits us playing against these guys.

The fish? They will be beaten by whomever they play. It doesn't matter. They usually have tremendous leaks that are almost instantly identifiable. If I gk to dusk till dawn and play every night, I will work out what the fish is doing within an orbit, but the young guy in the hoody who looks like he may be a sicko bit is in reality a very bad reg it may take me months to work out.

I'll reiterate, Good players will win and they will cash out. Bad-good players (bad regs) will not be able to win anymore with huds in place and they will churn a lot of rake and not cash out. Fish will continue to lose.

A little off imo, the argument that HUDs main benefits come from regular vs regular spots and the irregular recreational player is largely unaffected is...Well sort of true but also sort of not.

In your example you're in DTD playing one table and focusing 100%, as a high calibre cardsman you are correct that weaker players are at a fairly large disadvantage to you in such a spot, without the use of any software and allowing you a hud here (Google glasses maybe!) would actually affect your advantage vs them very minimally I defo agree...

However, let's now assume that you were allowed a magical live poker hud and now you could sit three of the tables and split your focus over 3x the amount of weak players, your advantage over the "recreational players of DTD" has just increased greatly, you are right in saying that they would likely still lose, but they'd be playing the guy in headphones and hoody who is not very good and stand a much better chance vs him.

[SuuPRlim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwDoY3lM9So

Dani "Ansky" Stern on tracking software/PA's comments from 1hr25mins.

[SuuPRlim]

he makes very good points, which I myself had never thought off, that the PLO bot-ring scandal, which has taken over $4m out of the games was discovered purely by players, using collected data. If the level of data available now was available in the UB days the super-users likely would have been discovered very quickly...

Again I'm not banging the drum for HUD's, just trying to add more elements to the arguments