turning your trash into $: turn spot?

[NoflopsHomer]

Check-calling imo.

[EvilPie]

turn    pot is 5100

villain 1 checks, hero checks, villain 2 bets 2k, villain 1 calls, hero ??

is calling turn good/ok? had villain 1 c/raised turn hero folds, but should we still be folding turn given the actual action? as someone mentioned there really aren't many nice river cards for us.

is there even an argument for raising? do we see opponents call worse or fold better enough of the time?

I think check-calling is fine, bet-folding to a reraise is also fine. Raising here is absolutely terrible. I prefer check-callling here though.

Check folding is ridiculous don't they know who you are.. Chris "I run hotter than the sun" Brammer so there is like a 90% chance you will house up imo lol.

If you hit your house too you are defo getting paid off by the 'I cant fold paper' Scandi types and prob some player that satellited in that can't pass top pair top kicker/straight/flush.

Didn't realise OP was Chris "mfckin" Brammer.

Just shove mate. You'll get there.

[Free_Rollin]

turn    pot is 5100

villain 1 checks, hero checks, villain 2 bets 2k, villain 1 calls, hero ??

is calling turn good/ok? had villain 1 c/raised turn hero folds, but should we still be folding turn given the actual action? as someone mentioned there really aren't many nice river cards for us.

is there even an argument for raising? do we see opponents call worse or fold better enough of the time?

I think check-calling is fine, bet-folding to a reraise is also fine. Raising here is absolutely terrible. I prefer check-callling here though.

Check folding is ridiculous don't they know who you are.. Chris "I run hotter than the sun" Brammer so there is like a 90% chance you will house up imo lol.

If you hit your house too you are defo getting paid off by the 'I cant fold paper' Scandi types and prob some player that satellited in that can't pass top pair top kicker/straight/flush.

Didn't realise OP was Chris "mfckin" Brammer.

Just shove mate. You'll get there.

Lol. This!

If we check-call here, what is our plan for the river? Are we just check calling again?

Think I prefer bet-fold on the turn.

[MANTIS01]

In this spot hero has a laggy image and the villain to his left has been an aggressive 3-bettor in pots he has played. Also the other real passive nervous guy liked this flop. Hero raised pre and then lead the flop so the chances of hero binking diamonds here will look pretty unlikely to his opponents, especially the aggressive villain. If you lead the turn with the intention of folding I reckon you will be folding most of the time. Passive guy will have it or aggressive guy will represent it.

[Cottonbud]

turn    pot is 5100

villain 1 checks, hero checks, villain 2 bets 2k, villain 1 calls, hero ??

is calling turn good/ok? had villain 1 c/raised turn hero folds, but should we still be folding turn given the actual action? as someone mentioned there really aren't many nice river cards for us.

is there even an argument for raising? do we see opponents call worse or fold better enough of the time?

I think check-calling is fine, bet-folding to a reraise is also fine. Raising here is absolutely terrible. I prefer check-callling here though.

Check folding is ridiculous don't they know who you are.. Chris "I run hotter than the sun" Brammer so there is like a 90% chance you will house up imo lol.

If you hit your house too you are defo getting paid off by the 'I cant fold paper' Scandi types and prob some player that satellited in that can't pass top pair top kicker/straight/flush.

Didn't realise OP was Chris "mfckin" Brammer.

Just shove mate. You'll get there.

Lol. This!

If we check-call here, what is our plan for the river? Are we just check calling again?

Think I prefer bet-fold on the turn.

check/fold to a bet on the river if you dont boat up. It's a gamble sure but versus these opponents you are defo getting paid off huge the implied odds are massive. Alternatively, if the fourth diamond comes on the river you could turn your hand into a bluff and rep the nuts although you could be walking straight into a guy holding AQ with the Ace of diamonds which you would then be booking your flight straight home to England lol. But this is obv an advanced bluff which takes a great read and big balls.

[outragous76]

even if the 3 lands you dont know your boat will be good

[Cottonbud]

even if the 3 lands you dont know your boat will be good

A set should be raising all day on this flop, espesh if your last to act after a raise and a (quick) call. A quick call is usually a draw in my experience, a hesitated call looks to me like top pair big kicker. The aggro guy who has been 3betting alot is definately raising his set on the flop for value given his image. Imo if a 3 hits you have the best hand 99% of the time.

[MANTIS01]

even if the 3 lands you dont know your boat will be good

A set should be raising all day on this flop, espesh if your last to act after a raise and a (quick) call. A quick call is usually a draw in my experience, a hesitated call looks to me like top pair big kicker. The aggro guy who has been 3betting alot is definately raising his set on the flop for value given his image. Imo if a 3 hits you have the best hand 99% of the time.

Button villain called the flop bet quickly though, which you think is usually a draw, and he would have raised a set right? So you think there's a pretty good chance this villain has a flush? You said earlier bet-folding was ok but if we think villain 2 has a flush it isn't is it?

[Cottonbud]

even if the 3 lands you dont know your boat will be good

A set should be raising all day on this flop, espesh if your last to act after a raise and a (quick) call. A quick call is usually a draw in my experience, a hesitated call looks to me like top pair big kicker. The aggro guy who has been 3betting alot is definately raising his set on the flop for value given his image. Imo if a 3 hits you have the best hand 99% of the time.

Button villain called the flop bet quickly though, which you think is usually a draw, and he would have raised a set right? So you think there's a pretty good chance this villain has a flush? You said earlier bet-folding was ok but if we think villain 2 has a flush it isn't is it?

He doesn't have to have the flush, given hes obv a LAG he could have a straight draw (7-5,7-4) or even made the straight with 5-4, he can even have a pocket pair like 88/99 which he decided to flat in position! He can even be on a total random float hoping to rep a scare card which is also associated with quick calls not expecting villain 1 to call behind. This sort of player is capable of this for sure.
The quick call is just a general assumption that its a draw from experience its usually not a strong hand is what I'm saying.

[MANTIS01]

Given the pre-flop action I think we can discount those raggy 7-4 type hands and if he was floating to make a move betting to fold still fails as a viable strat here.

[Cottonbud]

Given the pre-flop action I think we can discount those raggy 7-4 type hands and if he was floating to make a move betting to fold still fails as a viable strat here.

Scandis love 7-4s/7-5s the only thing that would make me think he didn't have these hands, is the fact that we have a 7 and the turn brought a 7.
But I agree with you on that I would be more concerned by betting and gettin raised by Villain 1 the Nit who limped, than bet folding to villain 2. As you want to keep the pot small, check calling is the best strategy as I said earlier.