Series of questions for the 45 man pros on here!

[anthonyl]

$6.50 turbo 45 mans...

Scenario 1:

First level, a regular player at the 45mans (who isbreak even+) open shoves, whats the lowest of your calling range?

Scenario 2:

Mid position, stack 1250, at 100/50, what is the bottm of your shoving range? (If say the big blind and sb both have 9-15 bbs, as obviously this could sometimes been dependent on the sb/bb stacks?)

Scenario 3:

UTG/UTG+1

15 big blinds, what do you do with 22-77? and KQ sooooted?

appreciate any help as these are areas that kee coming up, and i am never sure what to do, and obviously i am looking to improve my game in these.

[Cf]

I don't claim to be an expert but...

1) QQ+ - If a good player does this then as far as i'm aware it's usually with a strong hand expecting a donkish AT call or something.

2) AT+, all pps, 2 paint, scs 78+

3) Depends if there's antes and how many on the table. On a full table without antes i'm probably folding these hands. Shorter handed with antes I'm prob shoving them. Though maybe not 55-.

And now for someone to tell me I don't know what i'm talking about

[anthonyl]

Thanks for your views,

okay sc3 isnt very clear...for an 8/9 seated table, and a 5/6 seated table, both with antes, and both without?

[Longy]

1. These idiot regs who do this are doing with pretty strong ranges, under some bizarre impression this is the best way to play a premium hand early. Therefore kk+, qq is a vomit in your mouth fold.

2. Pretty close to big of a stack to shove but I probably would shove a10+,55+. Whether I shove QQ+ would be depend on table dynamics, the more regs there are the more i am likely to just shove my whole range and the more donks the more likely i am to open to 250.

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.


Editted probs being a bit nitty in q2.

[anthonyl]

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.

How does the situation change if table was 5/6 seated with antes, like CF said? If it does? too bad to open shove 15 bbs with kq sooted or 77?


Well you both have changed something i am doing wrong then, today there was a shove first or second hand in the 45 mans in two of them, and i called in both with JJ and AK in the other...both times was up against KK, lol.

[Amatay]

1. These idiot regs who do this are doing with pretty strong ranges, under some bizarre impression this is the best way to play a premium hand early. Therefore kk+, qq is a vomit in your mouth fold.

2. Pretty close to big of a stack to shove but I probably would shove aj+,77+. Whether I shove QQ+ would be depend on table dynamics, the more regs there are the more i am likely to just shove my whole range and the more donks the more likely i am to open to 250.

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.

pretty much the same. although i might be a bit tigher with open blasting 12 bigs. 12 bigs can sometimes be an ok stack in this type of format.

[Amatay]

1. These idiot regs who do this are doing with pretty strong ranges, under some bizarre impression this is the best way to play a premium hand early. Therefore kk+, qq is a vomit in your mouth fold.

2. Pretty close to big of a stack to shove but I probably would shove a10+,55+. Whether I shove QQ+ would be depend on table dynamics, the more regs there are the more i am likely to just shove my whole range and the more donks the more likely i am to open to 250.

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.


Editted probs being a bit nitty in q2.

this also depends if ur nearer final table and maybe playing 6-8 handed. if blinds are still low ish then i dont blast. my range is  aq+ 88+ gets wider if nearer final tab and if sh

i dont think u are mate. open blasting hands like a10 and 5's is shizz imo. esp in ep

[Longy]

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.

How does the situation change if table was 5/6 seated with antes, like CF said? If it does? too bad to open shove 15 bbs with kq sooted or 77?


Well you both have changed something i am doing wrong then, today there was a shove first or second hand in the 45 mans in two of them, and i called in both with JJ and AK in the other...both times was up against KK, lol.

With antes you can shove 44+ and the kqs profitably.

5 or 6 handed without antes I much prefer opening the kqs to the small pps as it plays alot better on a number of flops.

[Longy]

1. These idiot regs who do this are doing with pretty strong ranges, under some bizarre impression this is the best way to play a premium hand early. Therefore kk+, qq is a vomit in your mouth fold.

2. Pretty close to big of a stack to shove but I probably would shove a10+,55+. Whether I shove QQ+ would be depend on table dynamics, the more regs there are the more i am likely to just shove my whole range and the more donks the more likely i am to open to 250.

3. Fold the lot, too hard to play post flop and you can rarely call a shove unless the 3bettor is short.


Editted probs being a bit nitty in q2.

i dont think u are mate. open blasting hands like a10 and 5's is shizz imo. esp in ep

Nah did a sngwiz check i was wrong.

[Amatay]

just realised these are turbs. never play em. i'll shut up.

[anthonyl]

thanks for the quick responses.

one other scenario,

10/11 left, same format, 45 man turbo

you have 4.5-6k in the sb and it is folded round to you, at 600/300, are you shoving ATC no matter what the BB stack is?

[Longy]

thanks for the quick responses.

one other scenario,

10/11 left, same format, 45 man turbo

you have 4.5-6k in the sb and it is folded round to you, at 600/300, are you shoving ATC no matter what the BB stack is?

Pretty much, may fold the bottom 10% of my range. Unless the guy is a complete maniac and then I might only shove top 70%.

[thetank]

I'm calling with QQ in Q1, don't come across this often though. Most of time there is an open shove this early it's a weaker player and then I call with AK too as they spuz with AQ here like this quite a lot

In Q2 I'm a bit nittier than Longy and might laydown ATo and 55 (I don't play with antes obv)

Defo laydown everything in Q3

[thetank]

Thinking about it, I don't think I've ever seen an AA, KK first level open shove from a breakeven or winning reg in either the $26s or the $75s on Full Tilt.

Seen a few do it with AK though

obv losing players and 'unkowns' do it with anything.

[roscopiko]

1. These idiot regs who do this are doing with pretty strong ranges, under some bizarre impression this is the best way to play a premium hand early. Therefore kk+, qq is a vomit in your mouth fold.

Ooops, I 100% shove AA KK here.