Short Stack Dynamics - Cash Game

[Div]

$.50/$1 cash game on Ongame network. Full ring....
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($103) - I am about 17%/8%, probably 3-bet, 4-bet more than most, though very player dependent
BB ($17) - standard short-stacker 9%/8%, will try to steal/squeeze quite often
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($94.90)
UTG+2 ($57.20)
MP1 ($112) - only played about 50 hands but 30%/0% so far i.e. first raise
MP2 ($67.75)
CO ($100)
BTN ($94.50) - tight passive over about 500 hands

Dealt to Hero  

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $3, fold, fold, BTN calls $3, Hero calls $2.50, BB raises to $17 (AI), MP1 calls $14, BTN calls $14, Hero

OK my thinking so far in the hand. MP1 has been very loose passive so far, so am presuming they have some sort of decent hand here, BTN is pretty straightforward and passive, BB will often try to squeeze pre-flop in this scenario.

I'm calling $3 here knowing if BTNBB shoves and the other two fold I am snap calling. If he folds and we take a flop 3 handed I am in this hand to set-mine.

When he shoves and they both call, it's a different situation. What do you do now? Set-mine vs two players for almost 1/5 of your stack pre-flop, fold, or shove?

Edited: to fix mistake re who I thought might shove pre..

[EvilPie]

Fist pump shove.

Never set mine here that's just silly.

Fold if you really think MP1 is uber strong but I wouldn't after 50 hands. Don't worry about button.

[outragous76]

Fist pump shove.

Never set mine here that's just silly.

Fold if you really think MP1 is uber strong but I wouldn't after 50 hands. Don't worry about button.

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[Div]

Thanks for the replies. I'll post the rest of the hand later. Interested to see if anyone thinks differently to the answers so far.

[doubleup]

Fist pump shove.

lol what do you put them all on?  This is full ring nit world.

I'm folding without too much thought.

[Longy]

Fist pump shove.

lol what do you put them all on?  This is full ring nit world.

I'm folding without too much thought.

More inclined to agree with Doubleup here, if we are shoving we aren't doing it for value. We are doing it to bluff MP1 off a JJ,QQ type hand.

[StuartHopkin]

No folding here

Shove and shove hard

I put them on the usual its worth flatting $3, ooh i have $3 i best call $14 even though i have  .

Technically they are correct and ahead as they are green cards.

[George2Loose]

You'd be surprised how nitty these games are. Someone has Queens. Standard

[outragous76]

the only concern here is the original raiser, and there is no way he is flatting 14 OOP with a monster with 2 people behind that probably arent folding either. his range is very wide, here, and i think we can crop the top few % off given the action. I can only see us being beat by JJ really.

is he ever flatting AA KK QQ?

[George2Loose]

the only concern here is the original raiser, and there is no way he is flatting 14 OOP with a monster with 2 people behind that probably arent folding either. his range is very wide, here, and i think we can crop the top few % off given the action. I can only see us being beat by JJ really.

is he ever flatting AA KK QQ?

I've seen people flat the very top of their range multi way. It's like they don't want to commit anymore chips then they have to until they see the flop

[EvilPie]

Fist pump shove.

lol what do you put them all on?  This is full ring nit world.

I'm folding without too much thought.

More inclined to agree with Doubleup here, if we are shoving we aren't doing it for value. We are doing it to bluff MP1 off a JJ,QQ type hand.

This is why I don't play full ring nit world cash games. I suck at them!!

[George2Loose]

Fist pump shove.

lol what do you put them all on?  This is full ring nit world.

I'm folding without too much thought.

More inclined to agree with Doubleup here, if we are shoving we aren't doing it for value. We are doing it to bluff MP1 off a JJ,QQ type hand.

This is why I don't play full ring nit world cash games. I suck at them!!

lol. Why are you offering advice then?

[outragous76]

OK my thinking so far in the hand. MP1 has been very loose passive so far, so am presuming they have some sort of decent hand here, BTN is pretty straightforward and passive, BB will often try to squeeze pre-flop in this scenario.

just think so much of their range include suited connectors, broadways and mid pairs that a shove has got to be the way to go

[Longy]

OK my thinking so far in the hand. MP1 has been very loose passive so far, so am presuming they have some sort of decent hand here, BTN is pretty straightforward and passive, BB will often try to squeeze pre-flop in this scenario.

just think so much of their range include suited connectors, broadways and mid pairs that a shove has got to be the way to go

Read on MP1
only played about 50 hands but 30%/0% so far i.e. first raise

[EvilPie]

Fist pump shove.

lol what do you put them all on?  This is full ring nit world.

I'm folding without too much thought.

More inclined to agree with Doubleup here, if we are shoving we aren't doing it for value. We are doing it to bluff MP1 off a JJ,QQ type hand.

This is why I don't play full ring nit world cash games. I suck at them!!

lol. Why are you offering advice then?

Because this is what I would do in this situation.

If I raise 10 10, see a short stack raise and 2 others do a flat call I'm jumping up and down, doing cart wheels and thinking "free money".

The question was regarding short stack dynamics. In this situation the short stack has made our play easy. Fist pump shove.