Call or raise river?

[T_Mar]

I checked the turn thinking the best I could hope for was for him to take a stab on river or call a bet with a one pair type hand (maybe I should bet the turn?)... do you just call the river bet, or stick in a raise?? Probs get paid by A4. A8 and other Ax hands? If we raise and get shoved on are you happy to call ??

Played 1 other hand with oppo, where i doubled up after making full house on the turn and him hitting nut flush on the river

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PokerStars Game #39018088380: Tournament #238035708, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/01/31 17:44:54 WET [2010/01/31 12:44:54 ET]
Table '238035708 16' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: T_Mar79 (6005 in chips)
Seat 2: Peeeedor (1045 in chips)
Seat 3: alarico2 (4565 in chips)
Seat 4: coeckie (2755 in chips)
Seat 5: jager1987 (7367 in chips)
Seat 6: leakcim53 (2225 in chips)
Seat 7: CoachCarter3 (5035 in chips)
Seat 8: OCTOPUS54 (4566 in chips)
OCTOPUS54: posts small blind 75
T_Mar79: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to T_Mar79 [ ]
Peeeedor: folds
alarico2: folds
coeckie: folds
jager1987: folds
leakcim53: folds
CoachCarter3: folds
OCTOPUS54: calls 75
T_Mar79: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
OCTOPUS54: checks
T_Mar79: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
OCTOPUS54: checks
T_Mar79: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Ah]
OCTOPUS54: bets 450
T_Mar79: ??

[Longy]

Bet the flop, bet the turn, raise the river.

This is all far too passive, villian will call with worse on every street

[outragous76]

Bet the flop, bet the turn, raise the river.

This is all far too passive, villian will call with worse on every street

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[Royal Flush]

I would not be raising the river here.

[Dubai]

With no reads, Bet flop, bet turn- river is closer to a fold than a raise- calling is infinitely better than raising

[titaniumbean]

bet the turn!!!


twips!!!

[Sack it off]

You missed alot of value from draws on the turn. Straight draws, flush draws, combo draws..

Call the river as in a tourney I don't want to be forced to fold

[T_Mar]

wp me, misplayed all streets

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[pleno1]

Bet flop, bet turn, call river.

[david3103]

I would not be raising the river here.

Why not?

[Cottonbud]

This isn't a decent cash or torny player we are talking about here he paid off an allin with the nutflush on a paired board. U think this guy will fold AK here in a $20 comp, No chance!. Defo raise the river for value, he wont shove unless he has you beat so if he does shove ez fold. I personally don't like the way you played the hand but now we've got to the river raise for value even if its a min-raise.

[david3103]

I would not be raising the river here.

Why not?

River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace and opponent bets so can probably therefore beat an ace. If he knows his bet looks strong, he will fold hands that we beat to a raise. He never folds better than T7.

How does oppo have any idea what hero's range is here?
BvB unraised and checked to the river and he bets more than the pot to steal with what?
Any ace? Definitely. Plus he may do with this with any 4 8 or indeed 7  (7 is unlikely though), or air.

What does he call with that we beat? A4, A8, 84, and a weaker 7 all of which fit his river bet.
Make it 1450 ?

[gatso]

River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace

how do you get that from hero's actions which so far have been preflop-check, flop-check, turn-check ? ? ? ?

[Dubai]

The river is an overbet, people dont overbet thats as simple as it gets- not sure if people missed this or not

[Cottonbud]

The river is an overbet, people dont overbet thats as simple as it gets- not sure if people missed this or not

Ohhhhhh I did miss that tbh. Can't this be A8 or AK still though, I think it can! Makes a raise more thin though have to agree.