Everyone has one so why not..

[mondatoo]

Would you not consider changing your playing schedule then permanently?

More volume in less time and you can stay off the pop!

I like playing 10-6pm for a few reasons.I'm not keen on playing the unsociable hours plus the games are definitely softer during the day.Like I say I'm intending to try it out so I can watch the Ashes so will see how I find it then.Also with me still doing two days at work not sure how much my body would enjoy the constant changes in sleep pattern.

If your 2.7 million -cev what would that roughly equate to $$ wise if you were running at 0 cev?
Does that mean in general you have just run bad overall since you started?

Do you intend to continue workin the two days for the forseeable future?

I've no idea lol.As for running bad I think my downswongs have been pretty standard.

I'll respond to the other question with a longer post once I'm finished,so in about 18 hours time

[StuartHopkin]

Am I looking at this cev stuff the wrong way?

If you are -2.7m cev then you have run bad more than you have run good.
If you were to play forever they should cancel each other out and you should effectively have a cev of 0?

Obviously the fact you are minus -2.7m doesnt indicate you should have an upswing as its not related to the future, but youve lost the run good/bad flip so far?

[roscopiko]

Am I looking at this cev stuff the wrong way?

If you are -2.7m cev then you have run bad more than you have run good.
If you were to play forever they should cancel each other out and you should effectively have a cev of 0?

Obviously the fact you are minus -2.7m doesnt indicate you should have an upswing as its not related to the future, but youve lost the run good/bad flip so far?

I find its semi useful but not really the be all and end all.  If you got it in pre as a dog every hand and just didnt suck out you'd still be running massively -cev.  

The problem with it is that if you run good/bad at the end of games (more chips obv) you create massive swings in the totals so its ok to look at level by level but the total is not really that good an indicator.  ie You could win a game with a 40/60 but also lost 10 games in level 1 with AA to 72, your cev is +ve or w/e.  Are you therefore running good?

I tend to use just to make me feel better when i'm losing

[StuartHopkin]

Am I looking at this cev stuff the wrong way?

If you are -2.7m cev then you have run bad more than you have run good.
If you were to play forever they should cancel each other out and you should effectively have a cev of 0?

Obviously the fact you are minus -2.7m doesnt indicate you should have an upswing as its not related to the future, but youve lost the run good/bad flip so far?

I find its semi useful but not really the be all and end all.  If you got it in pre as a dog every hand and just didnt suck out you'd still be running massively -cev.  

The problem with it is that if you run good/bad at the end of games (more chips obv) you create massive swings in the totals so its ok to look at level by level but the total is not really that good an indicator.  ie You could win a game with a 40/60 but also lost 10 games in level 1 with AA to 72, your cev is +ve or w/e.  Are you therefore running good?

I tend to use just to make me feel better when i'm losing

Thanks Rosco

That makes sense, but again overall it should all even out regardelss of levels?
Bear with me, Im a little new to this, dont normally bother with the finer technical points of the game!  Let alone poker trackers and shizzle.

[mondatoo]

Am I looking at this cev stuff the wrong way?

If you are -2.7m cev then you have run bad more than you have run good.
If you were to play forever they should cancel each other out and you should effectively have a cev of 0?

Obviously the fact you are minus -2.7m doesnt indicate you should have an upswing as its not related to the future, but youve lost the run good/bad flip so far?

I find its semi useful but not really the be all and end all.  If you got it in pre as a dog every hand and just didnt suck out you'd still be running massively -cev.  

The problem with it is that if you run good/bad at the end of games (more chips obv) you create massive swings in the totals so its ok to look at level by level but the total is not really that good an indicator.  ie You could win a game with a 40/60 but also lost 10 games in level 1 with AA to 72, your cev is +ve or w/e.  Are you therefore running good?

I tend to use just to make me feel better when i'm losing

This!!!!

[Longy]

Yeah cEV is a weird measure because of what Ross said that you can have one bad beat heads up, which will disguise all the suckouts to get to heads up.

This month I finalled a stars 2000 runner mtt, got it in 56 vs 106 on a flop of 789 and my cEV for that hand was -$500000, which would indicate I am playing horrid as making that back with starting stacks, I would have to have 35 people drawing dead.

Though generally these all evens out, just it takes a while to do so. I reckon at months end if you are -cEV adjusted you might be worried.

[StuartHopkin]

Yeah cEV is a weird measure because of what Ross said that you can have one bad beat heads up, which will disguise all the suckouts to get to heads up.

This month I finalled a stars 2000 runner mtt, got it in 56 vs 106 on a flop of 789 and my cEV for that hand was -$500000, which would indicate I am playing horrid as making that back with starting stacks, I would have to have 35 people drawing dead.

Though generally these all evens out, just it takes a while to do so. I reckon at months end if you are -cEV adjusted you might be worried.

Sigh

What is the difference between cev and cev adjusted?

[Longy]

Yeah cEV is a weird measure because of what Ross said that you can have one bad beat heads up, which will disguise all the suckouts to get to heads up.

This month I finalled a stars 2000 runner mtt, got it in 56 vs 106 on a flop of 789 and my cEV for that hand was -$500000, which would indicate I am playing horrid as making that back with starting stacks, I would have to have 35 people drawing dead.

Though generally these all evens out, just it takes a while to do so. I reckon at months end if you are -cEV adjusted you might be worried.

Sigh

What is the difference between cev and cev adjusted?

Sorry Stu same thing, lol just mixing my terms. "cEV adjusted" is holdem manager term for it.

You have actual winnings and then cEV adjusted which based on your % probability of winning the hand at showdown.

[Simon Galloway]

The danger with people reading too much into it (or looking for too much comfort from it) is it doesn't really factor in the card distribution.  If you get hit by the deck, yet somehow mangle a bunch of hands, you might still be showing up as +cev ~ but just not as much as you would have been if you'd played the hands a more optimal way.  Effectively, it looks like you are running ok and playing ok, yet in reality you may have butchered a few coups where you won a small pot rather than getting a full double. 

Thought that would cheer you up!

[mondatoo]

Yeah cEV is a weird measure because of what Ross said that you can have one bad beat heads up, which will disguise all the suckouts to get to heads up.

This month I finalled a stars 2000 runner mtt, got it in 56 vs 106 on a flop of 789 and my cEV for that hand was -$500000, which would indicate I am playing horrid as making that back with starting stacks, I would have to have 35 people drawing dead.

Though generally these all evens out, just it takes a while to do so. I reckon at months end if you are -cEV adjusted you might be worried.

My earlier post obv should've read +cev not -cev.Still playing so will reply with my thoughts after.

[mondatoo]

Crazy day today,not got much time before starting mtt's so will post later or in morning.

Games today : 180
Profit today : $477.50
Games total : 330
Profit total : $783.50

Current bankroll : $2771.00

[mondatoo]

Well the mtt session went well

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As I said such a crazy day today,for the first 160 games I doubt I've ever ran worse in 12's,but never ran better in 6's.I had roi of like 90% in the 6's and -70% in the 12's after 160 games.When I say I've never ran worse,normally when I run really bad it's not just down to bad beats but normally me shoving light into the top end of people's ranges but today so many times I was way ahead and they just kept getting there.Luckily the 6's went really well which kept me close to breakeven for most of the day then another really good finish lead to a good day,playing these anyway.

[mondatoo]

Do you intend to continue workin the two days for the forseeable future?

This is something I've been thinking about the last couple of weeks.I change my mind on what I want to do on a daily basis but at the moment I'm thinking that if I do manage to grind hard and achieve SN this year I think I might leave work at the end of the year.When I started this I wanted to keep the job so that if in the future the poker ends in one way or another then I'd have that to fall back to.However,if I do make SN this year I worked it out that it would roughly be worth around $21k if I do this full time next year and have set myself pretty realistic targets.I would then cash in the $21k at the end of the year and use it to go traveling for a year.Traveling is always something I've thought about doing but never seemed like it would be realistic for me to ever be able to do it properly the way I'd want to but if I make SN then it's definitely possible.By then I'd be 25 and it seems it pretty good age to do this.It's something I'm going to think about over the next couple of months and see how it goes trying to make SN but I'd say I'm probably 90% going to persue this if I do make it.

[mondatoo]

I was talking to James about cev when we last spoke and I think my exact words to him where "It's a load of bollocks" which tells you what I think of it.I do look at it when I have a bad day because I'm like a ton of other people who grind poker for a living,it doesn't take long for my confidence to take a hit and to doubt myself so that's the only reason I ever look at it.Confidence is a strange thing and it's wierd how peoples minds work,but I'm pretty sure Longy and Tank who've both being huge winners at these games have had times when there confidence has been low and they've doubted there abilities,I know I have and I know at times James has and it seems that no matter what level someone gets to they'll still doubt there ability when things aren't going well.

[mondatoo]

So,I'm back in the black with the staking after a couple of good days and have played the games we agreed on.As I said in an early post I hoped to have at least a 2k roll for myself by the time we finished this but I'm a bit short on that as I currently have about $1450 so I asked if they wanted to carry on until I'd got my own roll to 2.5k so I can be comfortable and they where happy to carry on so I'll keep doing that until I reach that point.