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« on: July 13, 2010, 12:04:08 PM » |
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9 handed in a monthly £30 FO. I have a stack of around 18K as does villain, Blinds are 300-600 the previous hand he gay raised and showed A K he now does this again and i look down to see   on the button, so i flat ? And both the blinds call. Flop is    both blinds check as does villain action on me i bet 2K both blinds fold he then makes it 4K i decide to flat ? And the turn is a  and he leads out for 4K action on me ? |
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 12:12:58 PM » |
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What was the gay raise ammount? I take it 3 x.... pot around 3 - 4k on flop? Runners? how many left? Your current position? all important in decsision.
If there is around 3k in the middle on the flop, you bet 2k + raise to 4k, 9k in middle (half your current stack).
I would shove the re-raise on the flop.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 12:17:54 PM » |
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What was the gay raise ammount?
gay raise=min raise innit |
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 12:21:55 PM » |
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Flat call pre is fine, but surely you want to be re-raising his 4K on the flop as it's all worked out perfectly for you?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 12:55:23 PM » |
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What was the gay raise ammount? I take it 3 x.... pot around 3 - 4k on flop? Runners? how many left? Your current position? all important in decsision.
If there is around 3k in the middle on the flop, you bet 2k + raise to 4k, 9k in middle (half your current stack).
I would shove the re-raise on the flop.
Yep my bad this is my first post on here.. His gay raise was 1200, on flop there was 4800 in middle. 18 players started with 16 left. Av stack is around 20K its deepstack comp.. I'd also just lost a 10K pot with my JJ gettin busted by A K from short stack.. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 01:02:54 PM » |
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Flat call pre is fine, but surely you want to be re-raising his 4K on the flop as it's all worked out perfectly for you?
Glad ya think the flat call pre is ok, i wasn't to sure if i was being a bit nitty with it.. Thought about shovin after his check raise on flop, but i was tryin to work out what he could have? |
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2010, 01:04:29 PM » |
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Flat call pre is fine, but surely you want to be re-raising his 4K on the flop as it's all worked out perfectly for you?
very, very much this. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 01:07:22 PM » |
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Flat call pre is fine, but surely you want to be re-raising his 4K on the flop as it's all worked out perfectly for you?
Glad ya think the flat call pre is ok, i wasn't to sure if i was being a bit nitty with it.. Thought about shovin after his check raise on flop, but i was tryin to work out what he could have? Well, seeing as this is how he played AK before according to you maybe AK? If he has something better than you on the flop you go broke...simple as that, nothing you can do about it. If he has something worse you have to get it in now and there are too many cards that can scare him off on the turn. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 01:16:31 PM » |
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Why would you want to be scaring him off on the flop by 3 betting him? If you're scared of being outdrawn then just ship but we aren't scared we want to get all his chips. I'm more bothered about the heart being an action killer than making oppos hand. Flatting his min raise is fine imo. We've got position and we're shallow enough that by the river we can easily manipulate this pot to be playing for stacks so give him another chance to check raise us. When he leads the turn it's time to ship. Looks like he's trying to buy a cheap river to me. There's enough in the pot now that he'll call if he's holding the  or any Kx combo where the x happens to be a heart. If he's already made the flush then bink the pair up please. Thanks. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2010, 01:19:22 PM » |
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I think we can happily 3bet the flop without too much fear of villain going anywhere. If we assume he's min raising pre then he's prob not very good. And he's just min raised the flop too. I'm happy to assume he has the K here and isn't going to fold.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 01:20:24 PM » |
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much easier to get stacks in if you bet more on the flop. Pot is 4800 i think so a bet of 3k is probably more appropriate than 2k.
i'd call the raise and obviously get it in on the turn
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 01:46:26 PM » |
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Flat call pre is fine, but surely you want to be re-raising his 4K on the flop as it's all worked out perfectly for you?
very, very much this. +1 |
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 05:08:51 PM » |
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I would just 3bet ship it in on the flop given stacks. His line is pretty strong and is pretty much repping (ak,kk+), why would we want to bother letting a scare card come off (any heart) and potentially kill our action.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 05:28:39 PM » |
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Gay raise LOL  3bet flop ftw. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2010, 06:49:04 PM » |
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Don't 3bet the flop. You just fold out a lot of mid pairs that have 2 outs and weaker Kx hands that are pretty much drawing dead. Ship the turn obv.
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