Apology to Tikay.

[outragous76]

Just to add to the above, I knew of nobody that had contact with the family still, Bainn and Harmony openly posted about still being in contact.

lol - but tikay is a very close friend of the family he made that very clear, and you mod for him?

[  ] knew of nobody

sure makes your other posts believable

[The Camel]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party, and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime?

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime?

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in)

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line.

I also think all this chatter is ridiculous but when I have a quiet morning at work there is nothing more fun than sticking my two pence in. Unfortuanately I dont look like this when I post   i look like this  

At no point have I suggested it should have been handled privately, my suggestion was that the whole lot was posted immediately. I disagree with Kev being banned for a number of reasons. I am happy to try and think of the bigger picture but the only place I get to is people decided rather than protect a supposed friend they decided to protect something which in my view isnt worth a chocolate teapot in comparisson. You think if Matt worked for me doing the payroll say, and stole an deceased employees final paycheck I would hang him out to dry for it? No, like fuck would I. If I couldnt keep it private, I would sit down with him and work out the best way we could handle it so he could leave without having his life thrown into the gutter.

I may have joined in with the banter on the shrewd forum, but Im not ashamed of that, it may be a public forum, but I think you know what your going to get if you decide to log on there. What I type and say have no real reflection on the morals I live by and I will always  hold my head high.

Just like the conversations Kev is being accused of, I have those sort of conversations daily with all sorts of people. There is a clear advantage in life in being able to find a funny side to most things. Why would you ever want to be sad?

So there you go, I dont think it should have been private, but I dont think your hand should have been forced. I cant understand how you think the people who decided to force your hand were acting honourably?

Bloody hell, I didn't Hopkin was capable of posting like this.

Very good post.

[Ginger]

Just to add to the above, I knew of nobody that had contact with the family still, Bainn and Harmony openly posted about still being in contact.

lol - but tikay is a very close friend of the family he made that very clear, and you mod for him?

[  ] knew of nobody

sure makes your other posts believable

When has Tony mentioned since the funeral that he contacts Brendan's family? please point this out to me and I will admit I am in the wrong, it doesn't change the fact that blonde still knew before Bainn, I admit it was crossed wires that got him involved, but I fail to see how Bainn being involved, or anyone else for that matter, changes the facts.

[outragous76]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

like stu has very clearly pointed out - and i am of the same view

you dont hang friends out to dry

its clear in my mind that is what occurred - and im delighted i posted nice and early about Tikays post troubling me before all the shit kicked off - beccuase it shows 2 things:

1. im not using 20:20 hindsight
2. i was right about the intentions of that post prior to finding out why

you and moreso tikay can continue with your tinfoil defences "more will come out iin time/ you dont know everything". Well unfortunatley most of it is out there now, and those actions stilll disgust me.

"it aint easy having pals"

[The Camel]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

like stu has very clearly pointed out - and i am of the same view

you dont hang friends out to dry

its clear in my mind that is what occurred - and im delighted i posted nice and early about Tikays post troubling me before all the shit kicked off - beccuase it shows 2 things:

1. im not using 20:20 hindsight
2. i was right about the intentions of that post prior to finding out why

you and moreso tikay can continue with your tinfoil defences "more will come out iin time/ you dont know everything". Well unfortunatley most of it is out there now, and those actions stilll disgust me.

"it aint easy having pals"

Guy, it's all well and good defending your friends when they are in trouble or in the shit.

Sometimes you have to accept that your friend has done something so bad that he doesn't deserve your loyalty any more.

Where that point is reached is different for different people.

Obviously Tighty and Tikay think what Kev did was so bad that he didn't deserve their loyalty any more.

You disagree obviously, but I think it is clear their actions were made with integrity and no ulterior motives.

Loyalty is admirable, blind loyalty is stupid.

[GreekStein]

Ffs come off it Jane with the Bainn stuff. Your reasoning doesn't wash here.

You could have so easily contacted Tighty or Tikay and someone could have made contact with the family. Instead you chose to go to someone who you knew was such a vehement enemy of Kev's.

[Ginger]

One quick post before I have to dash out for an afternoon of mum stuff (I'll be back later tonight to answer anything pressing)

I want to make it clear that I at no time realised that there was such bad feeling regarding Bainn, I've met him a few times years ago and had no real issues with him, I have only been told since this all came out about the history. This admittedly is a drawback of being away for a great deal of time with Uni, you miss sometimes important stuff.

It doesn't change the fact that Blonde was aware that there was a possible issue, all I had was a doubt, nothing more. After I mentioned these doubts I was told that if there was an issue that blonde would rectify it, but at this point we didn't even know if there was a problem. Brendans family would need to be contacted to find out if the money had been paid.

When I had the above conversation, Bainn hadn't even enter my head specifically, I suppose I had thought it would be dealt with from thereby blonde but again it wasn't discussed in an in-depth way. I mentioned my doubts, I was told that if there was any grounding to them blonde would deal with it. Bainn was asked to contact the family to find out if they had received the funds - he was the only person I could think of. From this point on I had no more involvement, to suggest that I acted in a malicious way was is ludicrous,  as at this point I had no idea if the funds had been sent or not!

[outragous76]

camel

I appreciate what you say, but it is not blind loyalty.

This could easily of been handled behind closed doors, and they would have been respected for that.

To claim that there was no blackmail/giving into positions is just wrong.

Tikay admits to being angry (understandable), but then he thererfore posted with anger - his intentions being clear to inflict as much pain back as he could.

Tony spoke to me on Sunday, and I could still see that resentment that he holds. He will never admit that it was done with spite and malice, but like i say, I see this everyday in my job. "Wordsmiths" who say other things other than the exact words that are written. If im not mistaken Tony even worked in construction which could even make him an expert in the field of "saying 2 things".

[StuartHopkin]

what did Bainn do? i missed his deleted postings on the subject.

Bainn was approached to speak to the Hartnett family about the payment. This was around the same time that I was spoken to by the same person about the possibility of a problem with the payment. Jane has referred to the Brendan issue in her long posts.

He did so. He then spoke to me to confirm that the family had not received the money. At that point his involvement stopped.

As it happens, I was unaware that Bainn had been contacted until after he had been so. I expressed the opinion at the time that it was unwise and complicated what was looking like a tough situation for me to deal with.

When this all came out, in previous locked threads, Bainn posted some comments that were completely out of order and were removed from the forum.

right, so when Jane uncovered this information -  affecting blonde, she went straight to a 3rd party, who has nothign to do with blonde/the card room and told them, in order that he could spread shit!

now, I can ee nothing in the above, which would mean she wasnt a respected blonde member, ney even a mod, and she absolutely chose the best course of action with Blonde in the forefront of her mind!

*note to HR - P45 please

Wrong actually, read the post again and you will see that Bainn was involved after blonde was aware. There were crossed wires at the time that led him being involved, but he did not know before blonde.

Thats not what the post says is it? It says Tighty was unaware until after he had been contacted, it doesnt imply when Bainn new at all.

In fact if we look back at the story its pretty obvious this is not the case.

Tighty and Tikay's 'handling' problems were caused by the fact that you had bought Bainn upto speed before them.

[outragous76]

One quick post before I have to dash out for an afternoon of mum stuff (I'll be back later tonight to answer anything pressing)

I want to make it clear that I at no time realised that there was such bad feeling regarding Bainn, I've met him a few times years ago and had no real issues with him, I have only been told since this all came out about the history. This admittedly is a drawback of being away for a great deal of time with Uni, you miss sometimes important stuff.

It doesn't change the fact that Blonde was aware that there was a possible issue, all I had was a doubt, nothing more. After I mentioned these doubts I was told that if there was an issue that blonde would rectify it, but at this point we didn't even know if there was a problem. Brendans family would need to be contacted to find out if the money had been paid.

When I had the above conversation, Bainn hadn't even enter my head specifically, I suppose I had thought it would be dealt with from thereby blonde but again it wasn't discussed in an in-depth way. I mentioned my doubts, I was told that if there was any grounding to them blonde would deal with it. Bainn was asked to contact the family to find out if they had received the funds - he was the only person I could think of. From this point on I had no more involvement, to suggest that I acted in a malicious way was is ludicrous,  as at this point I had no idea if the funds had been sent or not!

[  ] another credible post

[TightPaulFolds]

One quick post before I have to dash out for an afternoon of mum stuff (I'll be back later tonight to answer anything pressing)

I want to make it clear that I at no time realised that there was such bad feeling regarding Bainn, I've met him a few times years ago and had no real issues with him, I have only been told since this all came out about the history. This admittedly is a drawback of being away for a great deal of time with Uni, you miss sometimes important stuff.

It doesn't change the fact that Blonde was aware that there was a possible issue, all I had was a doubt, nothing more. After I mentioned these doubts I was told that if there was an issue that blonde would rectify it, but at this point we didn't even know if there was a problem. Brendans family would need to be contacted to find out if the money had been paid.

When I had the above conversation, Bainn hadn't even enter my head specifically, I suppose I had thought it would be dealt with from thereby blonde but again it wasn't discussed in an in-depth way. I mentioned my doubts, I was told that if there was any grounding to them blonde would deal with it. Bainn was asked to contact the family to find out if they had received the funds - he was the only person I could think of. From this point on I had no more involvement, to suggest that I acted in a malicious way was is ludicrous,  as at this point I had no idea if the funds had been sent or not!

Brendan – This is quite simple and makes me quite bemused that anyone is trying to change it into anything it is not. When you spend a reasonable amount of time with someone, whoever it may be, you can tell when they are lying a mile off; they may as well have a neon sign over their head with a honking siren. Kev and the Brendan payment was exactly one of those times, I asked a simple question and was obviously lied to, and as it was Kev’s job to deal with these matters what could I do, ask for proof that he had paid?

[Murph1984]

Personally I think the fact that this is a supposed community and many members have stated they no longer trust you or want you around here should be enough to have your modship removed.

I dare say that there are plenty of members of this "supposed community" that no longer like,trust or want around the place all the spineless,creepy little priks that watched the video of a fellow member of their community being sexually assaulted but sit back and said nothing either.

Do you advocate all of them hitting the road as well or is it just the matter of modship you have a problem with? They are fine remaining as active members of the "community" as long as they're not moderators?

[GreekStein]

One quick post before I have to dash out for an afternoon of mum stuff (I'll be back later tonight to answer anything pressing)

I want to make it clear that I at no time realised that there was such bad feeling regarding Bainn, I've met him a few times years ago and had no real issues with him, I have only been told since this all came out about the history. This admittedly is a drawback of being away for a great deal of time with Uni, you miss sometimes important stuff.

It doesn't change the fact that Blonde was aware that there was a possible issue, all I had was a doubt, nothing more. After I mentioned these doubts I was told that if there was an issue that blonde would rectify it, but at this point we didn't even know if there was a problem. Brendans family would need to be contacted to find out if the money had been paid.

When I had the above conversation, Bainn hadn't even enter my head specifically, I suppose I had thought it would be dealt with from thereby blonde but again it wasn't discussed in an in-depth way. I mentioned my doubts, I was told that if there was any grounding to them blonde would deal with it. Bainn was asked to contact the family to find out if they had received the funds - he was the only person I could think of. From this point on I had no more involvement, to suggest that I acted in a malicious way was is ludicrous,  as at this point I had no idea if the funds had been sent or not!

So if you had only met Bainn years ago how did you know he was still in contact with the family?

My memory is hazy on this but one time when myself and Kev (I can't remember if any others were around) were chatting at DTD about how Bainn was acting over the Blonde bash it seemed pretty clear to me that Kev didn't like the guy and told me that you and he both thought he acted like an *insert word here* over the BB stuff. I can't imagine that living with him, you'd have not known Kev didn't like Bainn and vice versa.

Kev has also made several posts, along with mods like Ironside who have made very public their dislike of Bainn.

This is why I'm finding it very hard to believe that you did what you did out of morality and not simply to destroy Kev, at a time when he was at his lowest.

I just don't understand why you couldn't have gone to Tighty or Tikay.

[Murph1984]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

like stu has very clearly pointed out - and i am of the same view

you dont hang friends out to dry

its clear in my mind that is what occurred - and im delighted i posted nice and early about Tikays post troubling me before all the shit kicked off - beccuase it shows 2 things:

1. im not using 20:20 hindsight
2. i was right about the intentions of that post prior to finding out why

you and moreso tikay can continue with your tinfoil defences "more will come out iin time/ you dont know everything". Well unfortunatley most of it is out there now, and those actions stilll disgust me.

"it aint easy having pals"

The first bolded part is really interesting,how far do you take that? If you personally had seen the video(you state you have not) would the bolded have been your moral standpoint on the matter as well?

Onto the second bolded part about certain actions disgusting you...

Do the actions of your mates who watched the video and said nothing not disgust you? You are not shy about repeatedly voicing your opinion but you have remained very quiet on this part of the subject,surely a man who claims to have such high morals as yourself would be quite vocal about scummy acts like this?

How about your own actions in the original thread a week or two ago? IIRC someone came along quite early in the thread making a tasteless joke asking if anybody wanted some cheap carrots,cucumber,bananas(or some things of that nature,maybe I have the exact objects wrong) to which you simply replied and I quote "LOL"

Does that not disgust you either?

[outragous76]

What are you trying to say?

Is that directed at me? If so the words are there, read it if you want. Some, and by some I also include you, have quite clearly made up your mind as to what has happened, I do not intend on getting into any debate.

Kev has spun something very simple into something it is not in an attempt to divert attention, some people wanted me to post my side, I have.

I havent made up my mind at all about what you did. I havent got a clue.

I think there are so many different arguments being mixed together by people here it is hard for anyone to piece together the facts.
I have opinions on all the different arguments they are irrelevant.

One fact is clear though, how all this started, and why the original post had to be made.

Are you denying that you and your bearded sea nut (sigh at *****, when its obv needed) of a mate forced all of this to be outed, with no other motive than to hurt Kev?

That is the only reason I would like to see you disappear from this forum.

Stuart I agree that there are a number of issues intertwined here. Dealing with it has been incredibly complex.

However, in my opinion, all the chatter and opinions about the sole motivations for this to be handled publically are vindictive is a complete red herring.

tikay and I had no choice but to go public lots of options other than to go public. Think of the bigger picture.

9 months down the line the Brendan issue becomes public via a third party a spiteful vindictive individual (or two), and we've meanwhile swept it under the carpet in the meantime? deal with it very professionally, privately, and off the record. If it did come out the people would be seen as vindictive and spiteful and im sure the blonde public at large would agree we handled it well, given the circumstances.

9 months down the line the alleged criminal case reaches a conclusion, of whatever sort, and it becomes public and meanwhile we've swept a mods (peripheral, he only received a link) involvement under the carpet in the meantime? Now I know this was already in teh public domian as the affected party had posted about it quite clearly on this forum, and kevs involvement (LOL at that choice of word), knowledge that something had occured, oh and janes knowledge too btw, is TOTALLY MEANINGLESS on the impact of the above investigation. Although it was conveninet to get rid of Kev whilst he is having a bad time so we will take it!

We handle it privately say, Kev steps down as a mod (unarguable) and I'm expected to think that it wouldn't come out on his blog, or via his friends on other forums (and believe me those lads on the Unshrewd Forum know no boundaries, oh I forget Stuart you joined in) , and as part of the agreement all parties treat it with confidence. What 3rd parties do with any tip-bits they have is impossible to manage

Yes I do wish that Bainn had not been contacted. However its a red Herring Stuart. Kev did wrong. Doing that meant we had to do something. Doing that totally privately left us open to all sorts of problems down the line was clearly our best option, but didnt suit some peoples vindictive motives and ..... well..... we did the 1 thing which meant the shit wouldnt stick, because we are frightend like that you see

Tighty - ive translated your post - hope thats OK

It's totally fine, you are perfectly entitled to your view. Heaven knows you've expressed it enough in the last few weeks for everyone to be clear what it is

I stand by my opinion and will defend my actions in a horrifically complicated situation for as long as they need defending.

like stu has very clearly pointed out - and i am of the same view

you dont hang friends out to dry

its clear in my mind that is what occurred - and im delighted i posted nice and early about Tikays post troubling me before all the shit kicked off - beccuase it shows 2 things:

1. im not using 20:20 hindsight
2. i was right about the intentions of that post prior to finding out why

you and moreso tikay can continue with your tinfoil defences "more will come out iin time/ you dont know everything". Well unfortunatley most of it is out there now, and those actions stilll disgust me.

"it aint easy having pals"

The first bolded part is really interesting,how far do you take that? If you personally had seen the video(you state you have not) would the bolded have been your moral standpoint on the matter as well?

Onto the second bolded part about certain actions disgusting you...

Do the actions of your mates who watched the video and said nothing not disgust you? You are not shy about repeatedly voicing your opinion but you have remained very quiet on this part of the subject,surely a man who claims to have such high morals as yourself would be quite vocal about scummy acts like this?

How about your own actions in the original thread a week or two ago? IIRC someone came along quite early in the thread making a tasteless joke asking if anybody wanted some cheap carrots,cucumber,bananas(or some things of that nature,maybe I have the exact objects wrong) to which you simply replied and I quote "LOL"

Does that not disgust you either?

Firstly - you say my mates - like i knew all this was happening. I can 100% confirm I knew nothing of this AT ALL until laxie outed it!

The main problem i have with the video - is did people know exactly what they were watching? ie an allegded sexual assault? I truely dont believe that they did. Yes I think its pretty bad, but it is made much worse in retrospect.

Not having seen it, its difficult to comment. I imagine if i had seen it - i would have done nothing. HOWEVER - if i has seen it in full knowledge of what is was, i would have gone mental, and told the person that showed it to me. However, my understanding is that this was already in the hands of the Crown, and therefore im not sure what outing Kev as someone who saw it would do. I would love to see a "show of hands" from all those who ACTUALLY saw it, and you can ask what they did about it.

As for Carrots and Bananas. I can 100% say that I laugh at most jokes, whether they be crude, satire, racists, bonkers, whatever. That is because they are intended as jokes. Yes of course they may offend some people, i just try not to be those people. I laugh at fat jokes, and im fat. I have no problem with being the guy who laughs at a joke, if it was told and intended as a joke.

anything else?