Ruling

[gatso]

The way it's gone down I think the ruling is right. You should be more careful to make sure you speak clearly and put chips in the pot. Not saying you've done anything wrong as such but you certainly haven't helped yourself.

However. I would have a bit of a whinge about the dealer. This whole situation would have been avoided had he followed correct procedure. That is, the pot should be pushed before the board is destroyed. Had it gone down this way you point out as he's pushing the pot that you called and the other guy can show his hand and let his cards speak. Easy.

[ ] situation avoided

everything happens as above, then guy speak up and says he's called, dealer says no you didn't, ruling is called for, same ruling is given and guy loses pot

[lazaroonie]

why on earth would you not put chips into the pot if you are calling ?

too lazy ?

[SirPerceval]

So many situations can be avoided by adopting some simple habits.

Always use a chip card (or a chip from your stack). This usually avoids cards being mucked accidentally.

Never let go of your cards until the chips are pushed towards you (although this can be embarrassing if you strictly follow this rule when you have lost the pot )

In the situation in the OP, ruling was correct. Put your chips in if you want to call.

[outragous76]

i agree with CF to a degree, i obv asked for the board to be reinstated, which was still achieveable but they said no!

As for protecting my cards, i hold them in my hand ALWAYS, but i have turned them up for show down, you cant expect me to hold them at showdown!

I know i made a mistake not putting my chips in, but i usually play in venues where the dealers pay attention, and i do this alot when im prety certain im good.

[Claw75]

I know i made a mistake not putting my chips in, but i usually play in venues where the dealers pay attention, and i do this alot when im prety certain im good.

yeah I sometimes do this too, but won't turn my cards over until someone acknowledges the fact that I've called - say it again if you're not sure.

[gatso]

i agree with CF to a degree, i obv asked for the board to be reinstated, which was still achieveable but they said no!

why would they reinstate the board? how would this change the fact that the ruling is that you folded?

every single person replying to this thread thinks the ruling was correct, just accept it and learn from it

[outragous76]

i agree with CF to a degree, i obv asked for the board to be reinstated, which was still achieveable but they said no!

why would they reinstate the board? how would this change the fact that the ruling is that you folded?

every single person replying to this thread thinks the ruling was correct, just accept it and learn from it

i havent not accepted it - i think from your first post you are right

the whole situation has just reinforced why i dont play in local casinos, with terrrible dealers who couldnt care less

back to playing at DTD.

I was hoping to support Merrion in Leeds but alas, narp!

[gatso]

but you're kinda missing the point. exactly the same thing would happen at dtd or anywhere else if the dealer didn't hear you

[MANTIS01]

Calling on the river and not putting the chips in is a fairly normal habit, like when you move all-in but don't actually put all your chips in. I find it pretty tilting when somebody moves all-in and spends the next 5 mins moving each stack individually across the line. However, I don't see the advantage in calling a river bet and quickly flipping your cards first so the villain you called can muck his hand.

[outragous76]

but you're kinda missing the point. exactly the same thing would happen at dtd or anywhere else if the dealer didn't hear you

i have never seen a dealer at DTD make this type of mistake thru not concentrating

there is no comparison in dealer quality - like not even close ...........EVER

[doubleup]

but i have turned them up for show down,

why did you do this anyway?  he bet you called, he shows.



Your entire behaviour at this showdown is eccentric and if you want to avoid a re-occurence I suggest that you take the TD aside before the next tournament and familiarise him/her with your various quirks, likes and dislikes.

[outragous76]

out of interst what if my hand was QQ or KK and i was playing cautiously in fear of 88

[WarBwastard]

out of interst what if my hand was QQ or KK and i was playing cautiously in fear of 88

I think the point is the dealer did not hear you say call, therefore unless you had the absolute nuts, the situation is the same whatever your hand was or where ever you are, you can still be folding, it's just a (much) tighter the bigger your hand.  This is not really a dealer error unfortunately, it's your error for not putting your chips in to make the call and making sure you were heard when said the word call. 

[George2Loose]

Tough one but if the dealer hasn't heard you Guy I have no idea what they can do?

[outragous76]

out of interst what if my hand was QQ or KK and i was playing cautiously in fear of 88

I think the point is the dealer did not hear you say call, therefore unless you had the absolute nuts, the situation is the same whatever your hand was or where ever you are, you can still be folding, it's just a (much) tighter the bigger your hand.  This is not really a dealer error unfortunately, it's your error for not putting your chips in to make the call and making sure you were heard when said the word call. 

by your theory my hand should still be dead if i roll 88, because he hasnt heard me, and then i should get a penatly for folding the nuts face up too