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« Reply #6480 on: April 15, 2015, 08:19:14 AM »

Pretty interesting day. Actually first of all just want to say thanks so much for all the feedback on the hands, I love it when we all get involved and speak about the hands, seriously every reply so so so well received.

Anyway today midway through the session I had loads of really amazing stacks in all the high stuff, after a set up or bad beat in all of them I was whooshed, but I really didn't care and this isn't me moaning now, I was focused all session and played very good until my last table so I'm really OK with it, putting myself in positions to run deep is the most important thing rather than running deep. Like I've said previously, having 6 semi-deep runs is way more encouraging than having 1 super deep run as there's a lot more variance in SUPER deep runs.

Anyway saved a bunch of hands today.

Very tricky played AK, when a blocker isnt a blocker!!!!! http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13969756_486D4F37AE

Now this is a reallllly interesting hand I think. Pre flop is std for me. Flop I like betting 3 way. On the turn I was going for c/j vs the button who I think will b/c KQ basically always and also stab with his QT/QJ/JT that will v.v likely give up when I c/c turn. When the river completes and the guy leads lets think about how his range looks like.

1) 400 into 1000 when its VERY likely that we have a hand like KQ here. Our bluffcatchers are AK (likely bet the turn) or KQ (never folding to any size) so when he has a flush its ectremely likely that he will bet big. Guys are ****ing greedy.

2) What flushes can he have? k93r () ok, so flushes he can have are JTss, QTss and Kxss. I see people jamming river here with the As thinking "block the nut flush" having AhKs is WAY better than having AsKh because we block the majoirty of his flushes. Lets say that he defends every suited kx pre and calls flop. That means on the turn he gets there with

K2, K3, K4, K6, K7, K8, KT, KJ, QT, QJ

When we have As we don't block any of it (especially when 9 is a spade rather than the 3!) so on the river by having a king instead of an ace of spades we block 80% of his potential flushes and he has 2 instead of 10 flushes. This combined with his sizes makes this a pretty mandatory river bluff imo.

Usually when you bluff like this its very unlikely that you can credibly represent a flush as you would barrel equity. However here on the turn its not good to barrel equity as we have 0 fold equity. In a spot where villains have very likely got kx and will very likely not fold the turn it doesn't matter how much equity we have if its less than the required to make it profitable. Here I think we can credibly represent a flush, especially Kxss!

Raising flop with no blockers in Super Tuesday  http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13969780_7C80D5D97B

I like this one, you could say you would rather have blockers, but which hands would you really want to raise with flop with that has equity? JT/QT/QJ/KT are all hands that are either too strong to raise fold or play way better as a call. I think his squeezing range from the BB here is probably qq/kk/aa/ak maybe he even flats QQ pre but I doubt it. My perceived range is 88-QQ. I am of course wider here but I think my perceived range isn't. I risk 1450 to win 2555. I think he b/f every combo of AK except AKcc (people generally always cbet ak because they don't want their hand to be "face up") and if he has AA/KK I think its a genuinely disgusting spot for him and he will probably fold in the super tuesday. I wouldn't do this in the big11 or something, but perhaps in a live tournament against a nitty live grinder who can hand read relatively well its probably a really good spot.

This betting small thing  http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13969164_06DDAD8F47

I spoke previously about how I think the future will be people betting small in spots that are really tricky and every decision sucks.

Here I think we definitely need to call pre/flop. On the turn it feels like we need to bet for protection of some sorts but most sizes suck as he won't call us with worse almost ever. AK is a pretty bad c/c by him but betting small here allows us to get a smidge of value whilst protecting. We can also do some creative river sizes with different parts of our range so when we do have a value hand we don't necessarily lose value. Also lets say we have JJ here often we don't even get 3 streets vs a T right, but using this turn sizing 1) increases spr for the river street that we will attempt to get value on 2) potentially increase the chances of him calling down.

capping their ranges http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13969083_39969F3B6D

Interesting spot. Flop/pre std. On the turn I almost never have the best hand as he always barrels Kx with gutshots etc so he likely has QQ/kx imo. On the river I'm completely uncapped and importantly have no bluffs, I probably fold 65s pre so I end up on the river with 9t, jt, 88 77, 99, tt, qq, kk, aa, ak, jt. I'm perceived to not bluff with this range and maybe go larger with all the nuttier parts of my range as he won't have any hands that slowplayed here except perhaps KK. He likely flats jj pre too so thats not a huge concern.

checking back aces http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13968364_06E78732B1

It's hard to get aces so when you gettem its nice to be abit creative. I make my sizing pre flop because my bluffs here are hands that don't want to see flops (super polarised) this means that I should go bigger ofc (probably biggest leak MTT players have imo)

He 3b/calls and I was unsure exactly how his range looked like but did expect some KK/QQ. I felt like I'm perceived to never check back flop with AA as its likely he has JJ/QQ/KK and will lose value. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I DID! He is way more likely to bet turn and river for value when I check back OR call turn and river than he is to call my flop bet and then turn jam. His river call is relatively ambitious imo, but if you think about it I'm just flatting AK pre flop, so its really disgusting spot for him if he thinks I never have KK/AA/AK, so maybe its a good call.

Have day 2 of winamax tomorrow but really want to take the day off, will just one table it I guess. Very underwhelmed to play at all tomorrow so I may just not even play it at all. I have a small stack and life ev feels like just not being on the computer tomorrow.
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« Reply #6481 on: April 15, 2015, 05:25:16 PM »

plo hand #1 seems good to me Smiley

hand #2 is very likely a bad open, post flop is pretty much what you have to do (a bit tilting)

hand #3 not really sure why we c/r the flop, seems like betting would be best

hand 4 defo pretty spewy, people don't 3bet out of position much in these with such stacks. Although i agree that his sizing isnt very JT-ish

hand 5 is pretty bad imo, going off like this when you're kinda just repping KKK and very little equity vs  his range is bad in plo imo.
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« Reply #6482 on: April 16, 2015, 01:31:28 AM »

Wouldn't mind seeing a few more plo pots tbh.

Hand 2 for me I don't mind the open pre (although I have no doubt that Dave knows best!) I guess when you don't get raised on flop then yeah give it three barrels, river card sucks, you got set blockers but don't think you fold out bottom set.  Makes me wonder what villain was calling with tbh, I'm certainly not calling 2 streets to fold when I make a boat on river. Only leaves him KQxx I suppose. Wp

Hand 4 as you said the icm implications are big, I think it's the only reason you get away with it really.

Hand 5 yeah spewy as chuff imo, but well picked up on his bad sizing.  Always nice when they tell you they haven't got what they're trying to tell you they have!
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« Reply #6483 on: April 16, 2015, 04:02:38 AM »

he has a flush in hand 2 imo. fwiw I believe you should still (probably at least) jam the NF there OTR.

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« Reply #6484 on: April 16, 2015, 06:17:38 AM »

Plo hands..

1) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13956717_3E1CF9A1D9

Probably a fold pre. Turn felt really close. I'm obviously folding to a jam, but feels tough for him to continue without a full house close to the money

2)  http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13957306_6971BDEC17

 Feels like a mandatory triple?

3) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13958391_A57A007387

Disgusting turn spot. WTF am I supposed to do, I think this is the one hand I was really lose in. I think the thing I eventually did was the worst choice on reflection

4) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13958945_6E45FA8462

Felt like his sizing wasn't JT heavy although perhaps he is balanced etc. Feels like I get to the river with more JT than he does, assuming hes 3betting KJTA/KJTQ, KJT7/2 raise flop I guess.

5) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13959248_67C4AB5C67

Maybe I'm getting too creative, but seems great hand to c/r flop with the icm pressure (final table) and then on the turn I felt he would fold if he didnt pick up spades. On the river I felt like he could still fold kqt and I expected no slowplays on the flop from him and board ran out pretty great.

Any thoughts? I played another 10 or so very interesting PLO pots, I really enjoyed it!

Hand 1 - I agree with your thoughts on pre. It's probably a fold and I'd definitely fold if it was two tough opponents. I think your raise size is a bit bigger than necessary.

Hand 2 - fine.

Hand 3 - I disagree with Dave that betting is best. Think he folds basically everything when we bet. I likely just call here.

Hand 4 - It's interesting. Did you ever consider calling river? Think I just call because I expect to be good so often and I don't think he's going to fold anything better than AK. What J10 hands do you have that bet flop and not turn?

Hand 5 - heart and commitment to the game Smiley
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« Reply #6485 on: April 17, 2015, 09:18:11 AM »

check calling defo way better than check raising.  although as soon as you check you rep a chk/call hand (as you have a pretty vacuum profitable 1/3 pot bet with any air hands - 0% equity) I think they stab very infrequently and most of what bets calls.

Also once you check call I think you're getting to a river for only 1 bet quite a bit which is a real shame.

Keep things simple with a little bet imo, there is no way you get 3 streets with a check that wouldn't have gotten 3 with a bet.
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« Reply #6486 on: April 17, 2015, 11:15:50 AM »

Guess we gotta agree to disagree there then Dave because I don't like heading only HU
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« Reply #6487 on: April 17, 2015, 11:50:49 AM »

Hey thanks a lot for responses.

I was playing very aggressive and check raising a lot of flops and 3betting more pre flop than normal because i had a really big stack, near the bubble etc. I'd lost some chips in skme standard hand but was still deemed to be ultra aggressive.

I felt like he wouldn't cbet flop wide vs me and wouldn't give me credit. He's acjally
A friend and I guess I got lucky/unlucky as he had aqxx with 2 bdfds. When I get to the turn and its badugi I think checking is best.

Came 4th in the 530 hi-lo yesterday was really Happy with how I played.
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« Reply #6488 on: April 17, 2015, 04:42:26 PM »

I'v just re-watched the hand and I thought you'd opened blind v blind - the re-player isnt working very well, you've called from the BB vs an UTG open.

I defo don't like leading in this case, check call way better than c/r cos I don't see how you can c/r this flop all that light
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« Reply #6489 on: April 17, 2015, 04:43:09 PM »

wait, you're in the Big Blind right? it looks like the SB is sat out but this is a tournament...
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« Reply #6490 on: April 18, 2015, 01:12:27 AM »

Hands from today..

1- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13956976_0138500279

Interessssssting play buddy!


2- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13956853_70EBD18EA5

Perhaps the most ridiculous hand I've ever played. I really take a lot of notes against fish as they usually have the same type of lines. This guy I had b/c flop, lead/call turn, jam river with low spr with missed fd. So when this happened I took a deep breath and went with my gut Smiley

3- http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13955910_43702562D5

Interesting spot, I like it. Relatively face up here what I'm trying to do, difficult for villain to call the 3rd street. I have to have suited broadways with bdfd that I 1) didnt 3bet pre and 2) chose to lead flop with


Another fun .fr hand vs reg CheesyCheesy

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13592325_BB39F24827


Plo hands..

1) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13956717_3E1CF9A1D9

Probably a fold pre. Turn felt really close. I'm obviously folding to a jam, but feels tough for him to continue without a full house close to the money

2)  http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13957306_6971BDEC17

 Feels like a mandatory triple?

3) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13958391_A57A007387

Disgusting turn spot. WTF am I supposed to do, I think this is the one hand I was really lose in. I think the thing I eventually did was the worst choice on reflection

4) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13958945_6E45FA8462

Felt like his sizing wasn't JT heavy although perhaps he is balanced etc. Feels like I get to the river with more JT than he does, assuming hes 3betting KJTA/KJTQ, KJT7/2 raise flop I guess.

5) http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/13959248_67C4AB5C67

Maybe I'm getting too creative, but seems great hand to c/r flop with the icm pressure (final table) and then on the turn I felt he would fold if he didnt pick up spades. On the river I felt like he could still fold kqt and I expected no slowplays on the flop from him and board ran out pretty great.

Any thoughts? I played another 10 or so very interesting PLO pots, I really enjoyed it!

Very interesting hands, thanks for sharing.

The only one I have no clue what you are doing (I didn't even look at the PLO hands, they would have given me a headache) is #3

What did you think he had pre and on the flop? And why did you play it the way you did to exploit what you thought he had?

I cannot think of a hand he can be calling flop and turn and folding river.
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« Reply #6491 on: April 18, 2015, 01:54:43 AM »

hey, 88-AA should call twice/fold river.
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« Reply #6492 on: April 18, 2015, 03:16:40 AM »

hey, 88-AA should call twice/fold river.

Why wouldn't these hands raise on the flop?
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« Reply #6493 on: April 18, 2015, 03:32:47 AM »

hey, 88-AA should call twice/fold river.

Why wouldn't these hands raise on the flop?

why would he raise them on the flop? Smiley
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« Reply #6494 on: April 18, 2015, 03:47:09 AM »

hey, 88-AA should call twice/fold river.

Why wouldn't these hands raise on the flop?

why would he raise them on the flop? Smiley

He's got < 30bbs.

What is he putting you on to lead this flop?

Pair + gutshot? A7, K7? 88, 99, 55, 66?

Any of these hands he's happy getting it in the flop or picking it up there and then.

Where am I making a mistake?
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