Shaun King, Gives his view on playing AK badly at Monte Carlo Final table

[CHIPPYMAN]

dont care what people say mate... u make ur own decision...

well played sir ( fish )

buy charlotte and baby nice xmas present and dont 4get my 5%.

xxxxxxx

[titaniumbean]

IS IT?!!?

[shaun69uk]

Cheers Frankie, Maz has all 5% and drinks at the bar. Wanna trade 10% now for Jan's 300 deep stack?? xx

[leethefish]

did not realise it was you Shaun or would of railed you when bust from the 100 on sat night.
your a really nice fella and you was missed when you left from the bar staff

ignore people who have slated you not deserved correctly or incorrectly people will voice there opinions
 all the best for Christmas and the future.

[Sulphur man]

I thought Shaun played extremely well and was an absolute gentleman at all points throughout the whole Monte Carlo Event.
A genuine and honest guy with little ego who enjoys playing Hold'em with a smile on his face.

I watched the final table and had the advantage of being able to see all the players hole cards as i was spotting for the film
crew. In my humble opinion (i know nothing about Hold'em Frankie i know) Shaun played to a high standard on the final table,
at one point Jack Ellwood even showed Shaun his hole cards after Shaun passed (an obvious sign of respect as i dont recall him doing
this at any other point).

I enjoyed watching you play with such verve and a smile on your face. Your    was dominating his holding, and i did scratch my head for a few
minutes after the pass. Really did think you played outstanding hold'em though Big Guy.

Jack Ellwood is some poker player!!!!!!! Thats for sure. A machine.

[RED-DOG]

I'm just going to say this.

I wish was counting my 20K and reading posts about how badly I played a hand.

Well done Shaun.

[shaun69uk]

Hi Tom, thanks mate, good point I guess Hope u r good buddy, Charlotte says hi.

[GreekStein]

only played cash with shaun before and he seems a nice guy, which is a bit disappointing as i wanna see 'big bad shaun from ricoh', whatever that is!

grats on the result

[easypickings]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

[crapper]

Great post Stu .... you always make good sense with what you say and this explains why you're a good player. People do indeed need to be able to see things from others' perspectives.

Nice one!

[christopherhunt]

Shaun

I've never posted on these forums before but having read your thread (and then spent an hour of my life going back over the updates from Sun night) I felt like I wanted to congratulate you on your final table finish in the Monte Carlo.

Was at DTD on Friday night and both myself and my mate - Dave Smart - noticed you were playing the MC and were saying to each other that we'd always found you to be a decent bloke, having both played with you and chatted when your were working the DTD bar and hoped you had a good run.
Sadly (for me poker-wise) I was out for dinner on Sun night but Dave went down to play the Super 50, said he saw you briefly and wished you well.

I've read all about the A-K and as I'm a total sucker for Big Slick getting my opinion on this would be a waste of time!  Having read your post I was just wondering (obv you don't have to answer) - If your intention was to move up the pay ladder, how did you intend to do that?  Were you planning on going into shutdown/fold mode and hope for the best or were you planning on picking spots and if so - would a better spot than the AK blind on blind have really arisen?

I really can't imagine what was going around in your head during that hand - I don't have a family as yet and have certainly have never won anywhere near as much as 20k in one sitting at the poker table and I would imagine that in that situation it must be incredibly intense.  Sometimes I think people forget that poker is a game played by human beings and not robots.....

To be honest I've always thought you should play even tighter as once I remember trying to push you off a pot with 9-9 only for you to tank and call with 10-10.  Wish you'd had A-K bloody suited then!!

Congratulations again, will no doubt see you at DTD in the very near future.

Chris

[treefella]

Is   a good hand then ? 

[Sulphur man]

  Fourth best holding i have been told.

[AlexMartin]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

good post.

[shaun69uk]

Hi Chris,

Yeah I spoke to Dave and he passed on your Wish's, thanks mate. To answer your question which will probably kick off all different views! again! You know my history at DTD and why I ended up working the bar, we have spent a number of nights on cash tables and I remember the 99 v's 1010, you went out in 10th.

To be fair the money means so much more now, Holly(5 months old) I'm getting no younger! I just didn't want my whole stack in with AK, we all been their so many time's you have AK they have A10, first card out 10! boom, you re out! (and yes every one I know I should have called being a 70/30 fav! Please don’t start again!)

Raymond had about 600k and I had I think about 1.2mill, I had just got back up their from a dip to 700k. I just didn't fancy it even though I put him on ace 10... ace jack, in fact he had king queen. All tournament I really tried hard not to put all my stack at risk. I bought in for the £1090, didn't sat, and my very good friend Maz staked me for half of it for a big piece if I cashed. Which I was happy to do because in the past he has, when I've been on my arse my personal bank!

I had played well to get to the final table, hopefully you will see some good move's and play by me on the TV table. Jeez…. I hope the forum thinks so otherwise I'm dead meat again! I thought Raymond would be pushing into Jack and with Jack’s stack he would get called and taken out. To be fair Jack wasn’t prepared to flip to take out Raymond. His choice but not a good one for me.

I felt that if I folded it would be no big deal regards my stack and the opportunity to move up. I knew 3 handed a deal would get done (which it did I believe) and that was my focus.

I’m just a basic old school player, that likes to see flop’s and make a decision then on what I put my opponent on and what I can represent if I miss and so on. All this “Durr” 3 bet to the raiser pre flop and then a re raise which seems fun! Is just not my game, so when I did it with ace high and got shoved all in on, even though I kinda knew I was in front for the reasons stated I folded.

Overall the good thing that has come out of this, is that those players that have played with me at DTD haven’t come out and said I’m just a lucky fish to make the final table! For a guy that used to run a team of 4000 employees back in 2000, took 10 years out for family reasons then ended up working minimum wage on the bar at DTD, the kind words towards Charlotte, Holly and myself have been humbling. I know at times I’m a arse (which I apologise for), I just hate loosing! Holly’s in for a tough time when she can play marbles or for you young guns Xbox!! But again thank you all for your support.

See you all at the 300 weekend…………… Charlotte’s playing to, she informed me, apparently if I can final table anyone can! Her words not mine!

PS. And yes she still thinks I’m a donkey for folding! Women! Ooops that could be a whole other thread!