Shaun King, Gives his view on playing AK badly at Monte Carlo Final table

[Dubai]

Just lock the thread. Nothing more to be said, someone directly bought in a tourny, got 20x his buyin back, misplayed a hand, dug a hole, attempted to escape, told a nice family story which made us laugh, then starts digging holes again.
 
Thread wasnt neccesary and probably highlights some insecurity about your game.

Gl in future. Merry Xmas to the family

[shaun69uk]

insecurity insecurity, what you mean insecurity, I'm not insecure............your taking the piss....... yeah some one please lock the thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if only for the newbies sake!

[SuuPRlim]

insecurity insecurity, what you mean insecurity, I'm not insecure............your taking the piss....... yeah some one please lock the thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if only for the newbies sake!

Less defending and more counting those 20bags

[SuuPRlim]

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[Boztastic]

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[treefella]

  played badly thread  just an excuse to start an autobiography ?

cliffs
guy buys in 1k tourney which he cant afford
decides to ladder as much as poss and not play to win
gets aks blind on blind and makes a laughable fold,
wants everyone to congratulate him on his 20k score
wants everyone to feel sorry for him for folding aks and give his reasons over and over and over 

gg wp whatever

congrats on the cash ... and please keep playing tournaments 

get the baby some extra pressies and give the wife a few quid jack   

[Skgv]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Tremondous post an can relate to it in some stage of my poker career!

[snoopy1239]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Tremondous post an can relate to it in some stage of my poker career!

Few typos though. Expect better from an Old Edwardian.

[EvilPie]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Tremondous post an can relate to it in some stage of my poker career!

Few typos though. Expect better from an Old Edwardian.

I must admit this was the first thing I noticed about this post, particularly 'particulalry' and obviously 'obivously'.

Other than that I thought it was tremondous.

I've been saying this about ICM for a long time. Yes the maths is always correct but as Stu points out it doesn't take in to account that £1 is very different to £1000.

I'm pretty sure that Ray who is a 24 tabling ICM machine made some decisions on that final table that were very different to the ones he would've made had he been playing a $12, 45 man sng.

Maybe he can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain that at no stage was he in pushbot mode during that final.

[redarmi]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Amazing post. 

[MANTIS01]

In that first hand when you raise with A-9 why did you push all-in on the flop? You were laughing inside because you thought villain was so far behind when you did that.

Tikay, a lot of people on the forum would be affected by laddering pressures if they made it deep in a big tournament. But that thought process is the enemy isn't it? If you are a player that wants to play well you know you have to think a certain way to succeed. You have to resist external pressures and make good decisions in spite of those pressures. So when the enemy appears you feel compelled as a poker player to smite it down. In this example the enemy has manifested itself in Shaun King. But I don't think it's about the personal abuse or mocking of an individual rather than the battle against the thought process in yourself. Nobody wants to imagine that they would think weak in a situation which requires them to think strong, hence resistance. But I don't think it's resistance to Shaun King the person.

[GreekStein]

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Tremondous post an can relate to it in some stage of my poker career!

Few typos though. Expect better from an Old Edwardian.

I must admit this was the first thing I noticed about this post, particularly 'particulalry' and obviously 'obivously'.

Other than that I thought it was tremondous.

I've been saying this about ICM for a long time. Yes the maths is always correct but as Stu points out it doesn't take in to account that £1 is very different to £1000.

I'm pretty sure that Ray who is a 24 tabling ICM machine made some decisions on that final table that were very different to the ones he would've made had he been playing a $12, 45 man sng.

Maybe he can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain that at no stage was he in pushbot mode during that final.

Ray was actually very actively 3-bet shoving when he had a 20bb stack at the start of the day and was pretty active at all points. Having talked to him and been there throughout, I was pretty impressed that he played like there was no money pressure on him.

[outragous76]

From the updates it did appear as thou ray was shove botting and reshoving! Interesting to hear what he had where tighty said he looked like he didn't want the call!

The great thing about stu's post, is this is quite clearly what makes poker the game it is, but the simple and clear reality is that the people who can identify it in others, and continue to play to win, are frequently the big winners in this game!

I have to say, feeling like I fit into the money matters group, I combat those horrid feelings by saying to myself, I am happy with what I have locked up, and although the next pay jump means alot ( several months salary), the win would mean so so much more.

I have been fortunate to be in the position twice, once didn't turn out well, but I don't regret it at all. I can say with absolute certainty that I would have regretted folding more (in hindsight), even despite losing the hand!

[MC]

I'm pretty sure that Ray who is a 24 tabling ICM machine made some decisions on that final table that were very different to the ones he would've made had he been playing a $12, 45 man sng.

Maybe he can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain that at no stage was he in pushbot mode during that final.

I'm very confident that Ray was playing the tournament as if it were any other tournament.

I'm sure Ray doing his fair share of shove botting when he needed to but don't see how you can compare a 45-man turbo with 5 minute levels to a tournament with the EPT Grand Final structure.