100NLHU River bluff?

[pleno1]

Against a guy who plays straight forward post flop but a little bit of a dynamic pre flop. He 4bets 8% and I 4bet 13%. When he checks back river I think he always has <Ax. I'm shoving $74 into $80 btw.

Just realised this is 50nl, but it's on one of the deep tables.


***** Hand History for Game 26612885652 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 22, 12:18:19 ET 2010
Table Conan (heads up) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: tiote22 ( $115.05 USD )
Seat 2: Kemppaanen ( $168.15 USD )
Kemppaanen posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
tiote22 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to tiote22 [  ]
Kemppaanen raises [$1.25 USD]
tiote22 raises [$5.00 USD]
Kemppaanen raises [$15.00 USD]
tiote22 calls [$11.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
tiote22 checks
Kemppaanen bets [$24.00 USD]
tiote22 calls [$24.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
tiote22 checks
Kemppaanen checks
** Dealing River ** [ ]
tiote22 bets [$74.55 USD]
Kemppaanen calls [$74.55 USD]
tiote22 shows [, ]
Kemppaanen shows [, ]
Kemppaanen wins $229.60 USD from main pot

[T_Mar]

I dont play HU cash but this seems spewy tbh, you trying to rep Ax, but you shouldn't really have any Ax hands that take your line pre and on the flop (poss AA i guess!?) and  his hand looks like exactly what it is - easy call for villian I think

[SuuPRlim]

I agree you'll be chk/calling a lot of Ax hands on the flop, and chk calling them on the turn. When turn is checked back you would defo Vbet an Ax hand.

However not mad keen on the bet here because it looks to me like he is chking back the turn to pot control a hand with pretty strong showdown value. If you were deep enough to c/r then that would be better but I cant see him folding anything on this river after he's chkd the turn.

Also every so often you'll chk it through and have the best hand

[AlexMartin]

dont include results if you want better feedback m8. If ur gonna 3b this against a 4b of 8% (which is very nitty hu), pls shove it after he 4bets, calling will NOT be profitable, or, preferably, fold.

[pleno1]

On reflection I think 3betting is awful here, although I don't think calling is profitable, I think it loses less money than folding/raising in the long term.

I think villain never has an ace here, he has 99-kk alot and alot of air, shoving folds out both of these. Think I would probably shove the river if played again but would never let myself get into that situation as won't be 3betting mid pairs 200 deep anymore unless very specific dynamic.

[Whollyflush]

I think the 3bet pre deep is fine, we want to be 3balling all tip top hands deep (most pairs, Axs/Kxs and biig suited cards) in theory its probably best to just fold to the 4bet. Depending on your image/dynamic you may be able to c/r the flop and get it in but it doesn't seem so in this case. FWIW i'd probably c/f river once he checks back the A turn, whereas i may well hero call if he were to bomb it.

[SuuPRlim]

On reflection I think 3betting is awful here, although I don't think calling is profitable, I think it loses less money than folding/raising in the long term.

I think villain never has an ace here, he has 99-kk alot and alot of air, shoving folds out both of these. Think I would probably shove the river if played again but would never let myself get into that situation as won't be 3betting mid pairs 200 deep anymore unless very specific dynamic.

I disagree I think QQ is a relativley easy call for villain as played. Cant see him chking back turn and giving up with many hands that aren't "airballs" none of which he can really have except POSSSIBLY KQ but id be pretty suprised.

[cambridgealex]

On reflection I think 3betting is awful here, although I don't think calling is profitable, I think it loses less money than folding/raising in the long term.

I think villain never has an ace here, he has 99-kk alot and alot of air, shoving folds out both of these. Think I would probably shove the river if played again but would never let myself get into that situation as won't be 3betting mid pairs 200 deep anymore unless very specific dynamic.

I disagree I think QQ is a relativley easy call for villain as played. Cant see him chking back turn and giving up with many hands that aren't "airballs" none of which he can really have except POSSSIBLY KQ but id be pretty suprised.

+1 well said

[cambridgealex]

fwiw i agree that this is a pretty spewy bluff. 3betting is standard, I dont know why you'd think otherwise tbh. I also think you can call to setmine profitably. $11 more to call pre, easily enough implied odds given villains 4bet %age. yes you're OP, but an 8% range indicates a very strong value range, most of which will stack off if you flop a set.

I think calling on the flop is pretty bad given villain's range. Maybe he has AK here, but might not even be 4betting that (and might check back that flop). You're way behind most of the time here. I don't think he's ever folding KK and QQ etc here on the river either.

[pleno1]

I realllllllly don't think 3betting is "standard" here.

I also don't think we can fold floppies.

[pleno1]

also FWIW I disagree with the majority here that 8% is a low four betting range for a fish at low stakes HU.

[SuuPRlim]

also FWIW I disagree with the majority here that 8% is a low four betting range for a fish at low stakes HU.

Varies so much player to player. I have played fish HU with like a completely spastic 20% 4b, also fish with like a 2% 4bet

this is different in PLO - ubt I agree i certianly wouldnt be suprised at a 8%4b

[AlexMartin]

shd probs give his known 4b range, gonna be more helpful. 4b% is difficult to interpret compared to say, if we have gone to sd and seen this guy have KJs.

[DMorgan]

The mistake here was the preflop 3bet imo

As played probably just check/fold the flop. Against such a tight preflop 4bet range you have 2 outs here the majority of the time

I doubt that the river bluff gets through really ever. He's not folding 99+, he's not folding an A and there isn't really any air in his preflop range