tournament payout structures

[snoopy1239]

Personally, I think the gap between 1st and 2nd should be narrowed down. It doesn't take much for a heads-up to turn around. And that's a chunky drop for a player who may have dominated the final table.

Plus, it would be nice to see less splits. With the blinds we play with, players realise that they're only 1 bad beat away from getting peanuts.

[BlueWolf]

tipping a dealer? wher eis this hallowed place? in the UK? lol


amazingly adam your structure is pretty similar to one we looked at when i was at walsall that players dismissed lol and Juniors is spot on the one the players liked but was never used lol

[AdamM]

Why should 10th pay the same towards the valets as 1st ?

I would be happy to pay considerably more if I were the winner.

Surely the logical move would be to structure the tips too.

What is Smithy's case ?

 

because you've had the same service regardless of where you placed and because you've altered the prizes to benefit the whole final table. Why should the comp winner pay for everones coffees and dealers? I'm only saying do it this way if you've flattened the structure. when 1st is getting 40% then I'm happy for the lot to come off first and thats usually the concensus.

My table was aweful last night. the dealer is always causing trouble and I'll be messaging Nightfly opersonally about some specifics. I think jbsc is spot on. if we're paying for dealers, why not pay for casino dealers. I'd happily pay a rake to get dealers if thats what it took.

[Karabiner]

I believe I've already stated where I stand regarding house dealers.

I believe that we, the players, as customers are entitled to our interests being safeguarded my the casino management.

And I continue to vote with my feet on the issue.

Regarding the valet-tipping issue, I do see where you are coming from.
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It would be better if everone were to tip individually as and when they received service,

but as that is not the case, I don't see the difference if the 50 or so comes off the top of the prize pool.

After all, no one knows who is going to win when that is agreed.

[AdamM]

if it was only the valet that'd be fine but its valet + 10 dealers.it's agreed that it all comes off the top then theres a chip count or people are trying to harass you into a chop.

I have to say that voting with your feet is, while honorable, basically an abstain. fields are regularly 100+ and growing. Much better to participate and let people know what you want than to walk away and hope it changes.

IDEAL world for me;
20+2 / 30+3 house dealers.
7.15 registration close. 7.30 comp start or 7.45 close 8pm start.
flatter structure as in my suggestion below but with a house policy that alterations to prizes are not done at the table.
cash whip around at final table for valet instead of out of the pool.

I leave it in Robs capable hands having given an opinion.

[BlueWolf]

where is this that your tipping the valet and 10 dealers?? because i'm sure theres a legality issue there and if not can someone put in a good word for me , been lookin for a move lol

[Karabiner]

He means that the player/dealers 20 fee x10 =200

In addition to the valets tip all comes off the prize pool.

This is what is causing the argument.

[BlueWolf]

ah dreaded regisstartion fees lol.

It is the only way casinos see themselves making any money from the game though, but soem companies area dopting a no reg fee scheme to soem success but not all will. Some clubs dont understand taht you have to spend money to make money i guess

[jbsc7769]

A point that (I dont think) anybody has mentioned, Gala do actually make a profit under the curent set up anyway. Each Dealer gets his 20 which is given by way of a voucher for food (only in Gala). Possibly it has changed since I was last there though

[tikay]

How does that equate to a profit Simon?

[Karabiner]

I believe jbsc is referring to bygone days when the player/dealers were each given a food voucher.

It was worth about 20 as dinner for two.

The casino then reduced it to a "dinner for one" voucher as the dealers were working so frequently.

At this point, after some division in the camp ( I was an objector) it was decided that the player/dealers

Would receive 20 from the pool in addition to their voucher.

It has been thus for over a year now to the best of my knowledge.

Hope that clears things up a little.

K

[AdamM]

which brings me back to the point that if we're paying cash for dealers, why not heve everyone pay a little for house dealers. rather than the announcement that often goes out now at the bieginning "OK, if you haven't got a dealer I wish you the very best of luck, AWAY YOU GO" followed by irritated looks by regulars and nervous looks by newbies. It wouldn't even be so bad if it were NLHE but running a PLHE game is much harder. I could happily shuffle and deal well enough to satify the table but my PL maths isn't quick enough and if a dealer hessitates even for a second it becomes a group shoiuting match to get the pot organised.

[ifm]

why not heve everyone pay a little for house dealers..

How much is a little?
Most casinos add 10% which obviously means you pay more for the exact same service depending on the buyin.
Just another of my little foibles.
Ian

[tikay]

The Gaming Board regulates the maximum allowed registration fee.

My point about "how does that equate to profit (re the 20 for the dealers from the players, & the meal vouchers from Gala) was that Gala do not charge a registration fee, quite rightly, when no dealer is provided. Oddly, I played at Brighton last year - self-deal - & they DID charge a reg fee. Now THATS cheeky!

[AdamM]

I would rather pay the 10% and get house dealers. lets face it, for smaller buy in comps we're only contributing towards, not paying for so look t it the other way for some games you're getting a reduced rake for the same service. half full/half empty