Prose from a Poshboy

[skolsuper]

Just busto guy 4xs it at 400/800, btn flats, i ship 24k from the BB with  and he reshoves Queens, I flop FD and brick out. Oh well, played out pretty standard. Not 100% whether its a shove considering he's 4xd it from MP but is probs fine.

pretty sure we should be clicking the fold button here anything else is hella spewy

you crazy young kids

More like anything but shove is hella spewy. You're leaving 10.5bbs in the middle when you have KQ soooted you abs nit. Be more results based.

[cambridgealex]

Just busto guy 4xs it at 400/800, btn flats, i ship 24k from the BB with   and he reshoves Queens, I flop FD and brick out. Oh well, played out pretty standard. Not 100% whether its a shove considering he's 4xd it from MP but is probs fine.

pretty sure we should be clicking the fold button here anything else is hella spewy

you crazy young kids

More like anything but shove is hella spewy. You're leaving 10.5bbs in the middle when you have KQ soooted you abs nit. Be more results based.

This has cheered me up a LOT Beaneh, Lildave, this is the gospel according to Keys. Thanks be to God.

[SuuPRlim]

Just busto guy 4xs it at 400/800, btn flats, i ship 24k from the BB with   and he reshoves Queens, I flop FD and brick out. Oh well, played out pretty standard. Not 100% whether its a shove considering he's 4xd it from MP but is probs fine.

pretty sure we should be clicking the fold button here anything else is hella spewy

you crazy young kids

More like anything but shove is hella spewy. You're leaving 10.5bbs in the middle when you have KQ soooted you abs nit. Be more results based.

sigh, iv offcially fallen behind the times

whenever i coldjam 30bigs in a live donkyment with KQ i find myself loosing the pot and being informed by the table for 15 minutes afterwards how terrible I am at poker, and having to sigh agree with them

[titaniumbean]

I still disagree.

What's Keys ever done anyway?!

[cambridgealex]

sigh, iv offcially fallen behind the times

whenever i coldjam 30bigs in a live donkyment with KQ i find myself loosing the pot and being informed by the table for 15 minutes afterwards how terrible I am at poker, and having to sigh agree with them

probs the optimum line would be to leave the tournament area once busted imo.

[Longy]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

[cambridgealex]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

[titaniumbean]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

It would take a pretty concrete read to jam 30 bigs there imo.

just jamming then saying 'standard' is bad pokaz.

[leethefish]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

i think you need to do that yourself buddy............also why you think i am a twat for wearing a dtd hoodie??........

[cambridgealex]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

i think you need to do that yourself buddy............also why you think i am a twat for wearing a dtd hoodie??........

er youve defo misunderstood that comment lol. it was about mitch, and only ironic cos i bought the same hoodie a few months later lol why did you think it was directed at you?

im no expert in these matters. I'm a cash player and play like 5 tournaments a month so can't give as good an explanation as james will be able to. My thought process was he'll fold a large portion of his range and i'm adding 33% to my stack if it gets through. if not, kq suited has decentish equity vs the hands that might call, flipping vs JJ, 30% vs AQ, AK, QQ and only supercrushed by AA and KK which is such a tiny part of his range (in fact i thought never in his 4xing range) that it's a profitable shove.

[GreekStein]

Really wanted to post and say I don't mind either but prob prefer fold then the baby jebus/keys posted and I felt bad.

[jakally]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

When a player varies their open sizes, the size often goes up with a stronger hand..... sometimes with the exception of Aces, and maybe kings.
They probably do this cos they are a bit scared of playing post flop, and are happy to take the pot down PF.

It depends on the player, but your range seems a bit wide for that type of player, and I would be lopping a few hands off the bottom end.
They are also usually much happier calling a shove from an aggro player PF, than playing post flop, when the flop doesn't hit them in the face.

Very much dependent on the reads you've got, but shoving KQs in this spot sounds about breakeven at best.
Don't think it's ever a big mistake though.

[leethefish]

lol .....
i did not think for one second you directed the comment towards me personally....but at the same time did not realise it was a personal joke!!
 you explined the hand very well by the way and only meant you should explain your own actions and not pass the buck to Mr keys!!

lol no offence intended here

[cambridgealex]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

When a player varies their open sizes, the size often goes up with a stronger hand..... sometimes with the exception of Aces, and maybe kings.
They probably do this cos they are a bit scared of playing post flop, and are happy to take the pot down PF.

It depends on the player, but your range seems a bit wide for that type of player, and I would be lopping a few hands off the bottom end.
They are also usually much happier calling a shove from an aggro player PF, than playing post flop, when the flop doesn't hit them in the face.

Very much dependent on the reads you've got, but shoving KQs in this spot sounds about breakeven at best.
Don't think it's ever a big mistake though.

yeh +1 tbh! that why i wasnt sure, i knew it could never be terrible and was marginal either way. breakeven shove = shove imo when theres some ultra soft 1/2 games on :p

[kinboshi]

Really wanted to post and say I don't mind either but prob prefer fold then the baby jebus/keys posted and I felt bad.

I was going to say similar, but now I feel bad.