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« Reply #2325 on: May 04, 2011, 02:10:16 PM »

What do you think of neil giblin?

a man that might bring gold or frankincense to james key's birth.

Meh

Genius!
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« Reply #2326 on: May 04, 2011, 02:49:55 PM »

Stayed home all day to rail Simon almost all the way to glory. Two 20k+ scores in 2months is some feat. Pity he couldn't hold in those big pots where he was ahead, as it would've been the difference between 3rd and 2nd/1st which is a huge amount of money. But he knows he ran like god to win all the flips/ 70/30s he did on day two, so he's certainly happy with the score. Well played.

Feel a bit bad hearing that the cabbie who won was upset by some of the comments on the blog. It's sad to think what must've been an amazing day/weekend has been soured in anyway. I don't think I wrote anything personally, but I certainly agreed or at least felt inside the same as the people who were criticizing his play. I really didn't want either of the final 2 to win to be frank. Whenever I rail these tournaments I firstly want my friends to win, then failing that, the best players left in. There's enough injustice in this game as it is, it's always great to see skill prevail on an important stage. Just like with any sport or game, the best team / player deserves to win. It's surely normal to be frustrated seeing bad players being rewarded, especially when it's a close friend paying the price. Of course it's nothing personal against Alan, who sounds like a decent guy and it's a marvellous story.

Anyway, I played online allday bumhunting, 1table usually, made about $200 then once Deadman had busted Andy and I snapdrove to DTD and played cash. I finally got there with a big draw in a huge pot. Don't get many £400 pots on the DTD 0.50/1 but I managed to get there to scoop this one. Felt very very good Smiley Was losing before that but ended up up £180. So a great start to the month, carry on please!

Hi Alex,

I just HAVE to get this off my chest, I'm sorry. You gotta protect me from the inbound avalanche of flaming though, OK?

I read that Update, in fact I was present, Tableside for most of it, as you know. And I was absolutely squirming with embarrassment. What the hell right have people got to serial-diss the guy Alan?

Let's firstly agree a few things.

1) I was originaly rooting for "my" (Sky Poker's) man, Ryan, aka Scotty. But I had already said to both Simon & Nick, "guys, if Ryan does not tid, I hope you two chop it up". I like them both immensely, for all the obvious reasons. We all do.

2) So we LIKE Simon & Nick, but what right does that give us to diss Alan? How does that work? Is there not some middle ground where we can show him a little, umm, respect?

3) Simon was quite probably the best player at the Table, or nearly so, yes? Nick very close to him, maybe slightly better, slightly worse, whatever, yeah? All agreed, yes?

4) Simon was crushing the Table. (Like that, "crushing"?). 6 or 7 handed, he had nearly a million chips, yes?

5) Simon failed to close the deal. Why? Was he desperately unlucky? Nope. Did he play bad? Nope. Was Alan a "better player"? Nope.

Poker does not work like that, it just does NOT. All the high-faluting hooting Level 5 fancy-nancy poker theories in the world will NOT help anyone beat a player like Alan. It just won't!

Yes, we love Simon, love him to bits. Yes, he's a better player technically, if you like, if that sort of label is important. (It's not). Yes, he had a big chip lead. No, he made no mistakes, & no, he did not get serial unlucky.

And that's the thing, poker is so much about luck, & on their day, almost anyone can win. They can.

And yet.......time after time after time we see "bad players" being dissed, being described by almost everyone as "fish". And yet, even with the wind behind him, our Hero did nothing wrong, & yet could not seal the deal.

You ever considered why that is? Here's my take on that. We call them clowns & fish & idiots for one reason, & one reason alone. Because we can't beat them. If we could, we would not diss them all day & night.

I think where I'm driving is the modern trait whereby we show absolutely no respect to our opponents.

I loathe that lack of respect with every ounce of my body.

I truly think a little more respect might help us all. And failing to respect our opponents is always going to jump up & bite us in the todger. It just is, that's how life works.

I thought the latter part of that Update was just horrible, & I hated myself for being part of a Site that allowed such rudeness, & lack of respect to a regular guy enjoying the biggest poker day of his life.

But afterwards, when the thread suddenly realised what had been said, it got really beautiful, as player after player recognized how wrong it was to be so down on the guy Alan. And then, as he always does, Stu Rutter absolutely nailed it, & got bunches of deserved +1's.

And so.....

I read all the Diaries, by young & old, I enjoy them all in different ways, but & I just cringe at the total lack of respect we pay to our opponents in poker. They are NOT all "fish", "clowns", or idiots", if they were, we'd all be millionaires, & we are not.

I read on blonde the other week that "all the regulars at 50NL on 'Stars are tez". Oh really? Or "so & so site is a confirmed super soft site" It is? Cough. Who confirmed that? I think not, or everyone would play there, & be shovelling cash into their bank accounts. 

You'd be surprised how far a little humility goes.

None of this is particularly aimed at you, by the bye.

OK, I'd better disappear now, before the baying mob get on my case. Toodle pip.
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« Reply #2327 on: May 04, 2011, 03:09:31 PM »

excellent post by tikay. i will have to refrain from calling 90% of the players at dtd "idiots" buts thats just the word i use. having been called a clown myself i know this can hurt some people. for those of you who have read "ABC poker and how to beat idiots" i will be now looking for a new title.
not a troll or anything but should the moderators have not been monitoring the thread and stepping in to de fuse the situation.
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« Reply #2328 on: May 04, 2011, 03:14:08 PM »

excellent post by tikay. i will have to refrain from calling 90% of the players at dtd "idiots" buts thats just the word i use. having been called a clown myself i know this can hurt some people. for those of you who have read "ABC poker and how to beat idiots" i will be now looking for a new title.
not a troll or anything but should the moderators have not been monitoring the thread and stepping in to de fuse the situation.

No, in reality, no. We are not King Canute, & this style of Posting has become endemic, we just can't stop it, so there's no point in trying, & the last thing we want to do is spoil the Update for those enjoying it.

I have seen worse, FAR worse, but Alan was a decent guy, just enjoying his one & only day in the poker spotlight, & I felt he deserved better than to be mocked by so many of the so-called "knowledgeable" players.

Such is life on a poker Forum these days.
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« Reply #2329 on: May 04, 2011, 03:29:50 PM »

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=71287
one and only day is a bit unfair too tony Wink
hope more guys like him win than the last dtd deepstack winner imo
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« Reply #2330 on: May 04, 2011, 03:32:44 PM »

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=71287
one and only day is a bit unfair too tony Wink
hope more guys like him win than the last dtd deepstack winner imo

Yes, but you get my drift.

It won't happen often, because he's a fish. Oh, wait......
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« Reply #2331 on: May 04, 2011, 03:37:47 PM »

not only getting your drift but on the same wave length Wink
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« Reply #2332 on: May 04, 2011, 04:02:18 PM »

Most excellent post Tikay
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« Reply #2333 on: May 04, 2011, 04:04:43 PM »

Tikay, out of interest,

Have you never slated a football team (insert your preferred sport) for a poor performance/horrible style?

Alan said he was looking to improve as a player (i believe). Therefore if he chooses to can he not learn from some of the negativity aimed at him?

If Alan was an absolute twit, (think of any loud mouth player covered in recent updates). Is it ok to criticise them and their play?

How do you judge "criticism" of Ali mallus style? If someone "got mallu'd" or worse ali busts in true mallu style, is it not a criticism of sorts when comments are made in threads about him? How does this sit with you?

I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on all of the above
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« Reply #2334 on: May 04, 2011, 04:04:55 PM »

Good post tikay, I agree with almost all of it. I don't think people that describe other players as fish are doing so because they can't beat them. I also don't think it is disrespectful. I respect anyone's right to put they money down on a cash table, or buyin to a tournament and play how they choose. That is their privilege and right. How they choose to play their hands has absolutely no influence on my opinion on them as a person.I may not respect their game, but I still respect them as a person and am polite and well mannered (almost all the time, regretfully) towards them.

You said your post wasn't directed at me entirely, but it probably was a little so I've looked back over that thread and picked out some of my comments that might be wrong.

I called Alan a luckbox. No disrespect there, I called Simon a luckbox many times over that weekend. They both got very lucky over the weekend of course, no1 gets that far without getting very lucky.

I said Holmes made an awful call for all his chips with A5 when Simon 4bet shoved with AT and got unlucky. It's a poker forum, and it's normal to discuss hands and give opinions surely? I probably worded it a bit strongly, but I didn't say he was an awful person for making that call, or say diagf or anything!

The other one which is probably the worst, and I cringe over it now, was when I said Holmes and Alan were taking it in turns to bend over infront of deadman. They didn't play any hands against each other when 3handed and it seemed they were just staying out of each others way. As soon as Simon was out, they immediately discussed a deal. Should've just kept quiet.

I like to comment on those threads as I often read Tighty posting "anyone still following this" or "stay with us folks" so it's a bit sad to think that he's working his arse off for 3days and no-ones commenting much on his updates. I definitely got carried away on sunday when it was one of my best mates in with a massive shout of a huge score.
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« Reply #2335 on: May 04, 2011, 04:06:35 PM »

Most excellent post Tikay

i love how you never post ITT except when someone comes on having a bit of a pop at me, then you just say "good post"
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« Reply #2336 on: May 04, 2011, 04:10:54 PM »

Most excellent post Tikay

i love how you never post ITT except when someone comes on having a bit of a pop at me, then you just say "good post"
lol.  i'm here
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« Reply #2337 on: May 04, 2011, 04:11:09 PM »

Most excellent post Tikay

i love how you never post ITT except when someone comes on having a bit of a pop at me, then you just say "good post"

+1 to tikay's post...
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« Reply #2338 on: May 04, 2011, 04:16:15 PM »

Tikay, out of interest,

Have you never slated a football team (insert your preferred sport) for a poor performance/horrible style?

Alan said he was looking to improve as a player (i believe). Therefore if he chooses to can he not learn from some of the negativity aimed at him?

If Alan was an absolute twit, (think of any loud mouth player covered in recent updates). Is it ok to criticise them and their play?

How do you judge "criticism" of Ali mallus style? If someone "got mallu'd" or worse ali busts in true mallu style, is it not a criticism of sorts when comments are made in threads about him? How does this sit with you?

I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on all of the above

I think it's the difference between saying "he mangled that hand" or "he played that hand badly" or "that's never how I'd play that hand, ever!" or "he's played quite a few hands like that, it's a massive leak" and the personal slurs "he's an idiot" or "what a total fish" or "he doesn't deserve to win anything", etc.  If someone behaves badly at the table, or acts like a complete arse - then they're probably fair game, but if their only crime is to be a less than perfect poker player, I think the personal attacks are ridiculous.

(I'm not referring to that specific thread, as I was away at the weekend and wasn't following it)
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« Reply #2339 on: May 04, 2011, 04:19:03 PM »

I hate idots, I dont know why Apple bothered. These seem fine ...
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