Manchester United, that didn't last long. Seven up

[DungBeetle]

"I wrote this before I read your most recent post. I'll just add, having read that... Did we buy Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Neville G and Neville P?
Cleverley, Wellbeck, Evans? 96 ex-MUFC Academy players have full international caps, the academy is demonstrably the best in the country and has been for decades."

Yes you have youth players.  You also steal other clubs youth prospects like Giggs I believe.  And you stole Eagles from Watford.

And don't hold up Wellbeck as a shining light.  In 2 years time he'll struggle to get into West Brom's team once Ferguson realises he is bobbins.

sigh... selective memory dungbeetle. i won't trawl for examples but it's a million that LFC don't have form for similar acts.
the sad truth here is that you opened a debate based on me saying something positive about Liverpool in an attempt to score points against us. it went the same way that your team's attempts did this season....

Not sure who you think I support but I have a general distaste for the attitudes of all "big" teams, and in fact grudgingly respect Man Utd more than the others due to the fact they at least attempt to develop their own players, and the longetivity of the Ferguson project.  I am merely saying that we shouldn't pretend that Man Utd don't blow most other teams away in terms of spending cash. 

[DungBeetle]

Man Utd gave David Platt a free transfer.  Not the same as poaching another club's rising talent!

[david3103]

"I wrote this before I read your most recent post. I'll just add, having read that... Did we buy Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Neville G and Neville P?
Cleverley, Wellbeck, Evans? 96 ex-MUFC Academy players have full international caps, the academy is demonstrably the best in the country and has been for decades."

Yes you have youth players.  You also steal other clubs youth prospects like Giggs I believe.  And you stole Eagles from Watford.

And don't hold up Wellbeck as a shining light.  In 2 years time he'll struggle to get into West Brom's team once Ferguson realises he is bobbins.

sigh... selective memory dungbeetle. i won't trawl for examples but it's a million that LFC don't have form for similar acts.
the sad truth here is that you opened a debate based on me saying something positive about Liverpool in an attempt to score points against us. it went the same way that your team's attempts did this season....

Not sure who you think I support but I have a general distaste for the attitudes of all "big" teams, and in fact grudgingly respect Man Utd more than the others due to the fact they at least attempt to develop their own players, and the longetivity of the Ferguson project.  I am merely saying that we shouldn't pretend that Man Utd don't blow most other teams away in terms of spending cash. 

Apologies if I'm wrong, I had taken your post on the Liverpool thread as being indicative of support for them.

I can see that that may have been wrong and withdraw the rubs about pointscoring.

All other aspects of my case remain unchanged. The 'United buy success' accusation is one of the more irritating wrongly held views in football.

[smashedagain]

David, why do you think RvP left Arsenal to go to Utd. Is it financial or to win stuff or a combination of both. Do you think he would have gone if Utd were only prepared to pay him half the salary he earned with the Gunners?

[aaron1867]

David, why do you think RvP left Arsenal to go to Utd. Is it financial or to win stuff or a combination of both. Do you think he would have gone if Utd were only prepared to pay him half the salary he earned with the Gunners?

I think you answered your own question here Jason.

[david3103]

David, why do you think RvP left Arsenal to go to Utd. Is it financial or to win stuff or a combination of both. Do you think he would have gone if Utd were only prepared to pay him half the salary he earned with the Gunners?

It's both - and it's the lure of playing for United too. Seems likely that if it was just the money he'd be at City where he'd have had a fair chance of the odd trophy.

[DungBeetle]

David - the fact that Man Utd buy success is not debatable.  When Ferguson built his first winning team he bought the best domestic player in each position - Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Ince, Keane, Phehan, Hughes etc.  And subsequently they were in the market for all the best players that came available Van Nistelrooy, Cole, Yorke, Veron, Staam, Ferdinand, Van Persie etc.  The fact that they had one golden generation of home grown players does not alter this fact.

[david3103]

David - the fact that Man Utd buy success is not debatable.  When Ferguson built his first winning team he bought the best domestic player in each position - Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Ince, Keane, Phehan, Hughes etc.  And subsequently they were in the market for all the best players that came available Van Nistelrooy, Cole, Yorke, Veron, Staam, Ferdinand, Van Persie etc.  The fact that they had one golden generation of home grown players does not alter this fact.

Yes, some top players were acquired over time. But, and this is always my major point here, they bought them with money that the club had generated.

Interesting to look at the wiki page for that first season of the Premier League - 22 clubs, 4 managed by Scots, 1 by a Welshman, 1 Irish and the rest? All English...

[jackinbeat]

"I wrote this before I read your most recent post. I'll just add, having read that... Did we buy Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Neville G and Neville P?
Cleverley, Wellbeck, Evans? 96 ex-MUFC Academy players have full international caps, the academy is demonstrably the best in the country and has been for decades."

Yes you have youth players.  You also steal other clubs youth prospects like Giggs I believe.  And you stole Eagles from Watford.

And don't hold up Wellbeck as a shining light.  In 2 years time he'll struggle to get into West Brom's team once Ferguson realises he is bobbins.

sigh... selective memory dungbeetle. i won't trawl for examples but it's a million that LFC don't have form for similar acts.
the sad truth here is that you opened a debate based on me saying something positive about Liverpool in an attempt to score points against us. it went the same way that your team's attempts did this season....

Not sure who you think I support but I have a general distaste for the attitudes of all "big" teams, and in fact grudgingly respect Man Utd more than the others due to the fact they at least attempt to develop their own players, and the longetivity of the Ferguson project.  I am merely saying that we shouldn't pretend that Man Utd don't blow most other teams away in terms of spending cash. 

Not in the last 5 years or more, even Stoke spent more net on players than we have..

[Jon MW]

Transfer spend league table for the past 5 years

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

It's ordered by net spend (which is how you get Stoke spending more)

Man Utd are 7th on net spend, but even on gross spend a fleeting glance means I think they'd still only be 6th

[david3103]

Transfer spend league table for the past 5 years

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

It's ordered by net spend (which is how you get Stoke spending more)

Man Utd are 7th on net spend, but even on gross spend a fleeting glance means I think they'd still only be 6th

No surprises that the oligarchy and the sheikhdom are top, but the scale of their net spend is staggering.

[jackinbeat]

Transfer spend league table for the past 5 years

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

It's ordered by net spend (which is how you get Stoke spending more)

Man Utd are 7th on net spend, but even on gross spend a fleeting glance means I think they'd still only be 6th

Was just looking for that, thanks.

[77dave]

id like to see the same table but for wages.

[david3103]

id like to see the same table but for wages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9514149/Graphic-Premier-League-transfer-and-wage-spending-from-the-200001-season-to-201112.html

deep in two small online comps so no time to do much commentary

[jackinbeat]

id like to see the same table but for wages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9514149/Graphic-Premier-League-transfer-and-wage-spending-from-the-200001-season-to-201112.html

deep in two small online comps so no time to do much commentary

glgl, sn for a rail?