Manchester United, that didn't last long. Seven up

[david3103]

enjoy the variance.  Not embrace it.  You are running miles ahead of the game at the minute.

Regression to the mean i think it is called in the trade.  Why are people surprised?  How did Wolfs go off nearly 7/4 tonight at home to manure without lolrooney (like he makes a difference nowadays - in recent weeks him missing has actually made manure more likely to win a game according to the sharp betting markets and they still couldn't win when he was at home watching everton with his son on a monday night enjoying his £300k a week he has for the next 3.5 years lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  Without the comical own goal that kept you in the game you got battered tonight.

To not win that group is so funny.  It was as weak a group as possible for manure in champs league history.  They couldn't have found a weaker group and still couldn't get out of it never mind win it.  To say they have been running ahead of the curve in the EPL the last two months is a huge understatement.  

LVG must be gone surely?  Why would u keep him but fire Moyes a season on?  If not then Moyes was just a puppet to get over Sir alex retiring.  LVG has spent fortunes more than moyes and sent the club even further backwards than Moyes did but is unsackable.  Truely incredible. 

 

[BorntoBubble]

I think the issue is football is results driven.

He is 3 points off spot whether he is running well or not.

He keeps coming out and saying we were unlucky. I disagree and think we have been very lucky, many of the games we have drawn the opposition have had a couple of great chances to score. Whereas we have had 90% of the possession and not looked like scoring.

Last night was a one off, he had to attack and had to be open and that made holes at the back where we have been solid all year.

Unfortunately he should have done that against PSV then we would have gone through.

[TightEnd]

with United second favourites for the Europa league (on name, size and reputation i assume)

do you see them taking the competition seriously and trying to win it?

would doing so not get in the way of a top four PL finish?


11/2f Borussia Dortmund, 10/1 Manchester United, 10/1 Napoli, 11/1 Liverpool, 14/1 Tottenham Hotspur.

[Cf]

I still think it's a bit bollocks that champions league teams move down to the Europa league.

[TightEnd]

[Ironside]

Winning Europa negates the need for a top 4 spot, intact its better than 4th as gets you past the quailfiers . if its fall off the pace for title surely winning Europa is much higher priority than 4th spot in league

[david3103]

I think the issue is football is results driven.

He is 3 points off spot whether he is running well or not.

He keeps coming out and saying we were unlucky. I disagree and think we have been very lucky, many of the games we have drawn the opposition have had a couple of great chances to score. Whereas we have had 90% of the possession and not looked like scoring.

Last night was a one off, he had to attack and had to be open and that made holes at the back where we have been solid all year.

Unfortunately he should have done that against PSV then we would have gone through.

Had last night not been a one off perhaps the attacking instincts would have been sharper and the defence wouldn't have been quite so unsure and missing the security of having not one, but two defensive midfielders.

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[TightEnd]

Oh

[david3103]

All data has outliers 

[POWWWWWWWW]

enjoy the variance.  Not embrace it.  You are running miles ahead of the game at the minute.

Regression to the mean i think it is called in the trade.  Why are people surprised?  How did Wolfs go off nearly 7/4 tonight at home to manure without lolrooney (like he makes a difference nowadays - in recent weeks him missing has actually made manure more likely to win a game according to the sharp betting markets and they still couldn't win when he was at home watching everton with his son on a monday night enjoying his £300k a week he has for the next 3.5 years lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  Without the comical own goal that kept you in the game you got battered tonight.

To not win that group is so funny.  It was as weak a group as possible for manure in champs league history.  They couldn't have found a weaker group and still couldn't get out of it never mind win it.  To say they have been running ahead of the curve in the EPL the last two months is a huge understatement.  

LVG must be gone surely?  Why would u keep him but fire Moyes a season on?  If not then Moyes was just a puppet to get over Sir alex retiring.  LVG has spent fortunes more than moyes and sent the club even further backwards than Moyes did but is unsackable.  Truely incredible. 

LVG got hired to make and keep us a top 4 side for the foreseeable future, so we didn't do a Liverpool. And he's achieving exactly that. As long we keep making top 4, we still get the gravy train rolling in. We have no shot of winning the CL (like 13/16 teams left) and the difference in money between group stages and winning is only (i think) £25m. Getting knocked out while isn't pleasant is far from a disaster.

[arbboy]

enjoy the variance.  Not embrace it.  You are running miles ahead of the game at the minute.

Regression to the mean i think it is called in the trade.  Why are people surprised?  How did Wolfs go off nearly 7/4 tonight at home to manure without lolrooney (like he makes a difference nowadays - in recent weeks him missing has actually made manure more likely to win a game according to the sharp betting markets and they still couldn't win when he was at home watching everton with his son on a monday night enjoying his £300k a week he has for the next 3.5 years lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  Without the comical own goal that kept you in the game you got battered tonight.

To not win that group is so funny.  It was as weak a group as possible for manure in champs league history.  They couldn't have found a weaker group and still couldn't get out of it never mind win it.  To say they have been running ahead of the curve in the EPL the last two months is a huge understatement.  

LVG must be gone surely?  Why would u keep him but fire Moyes a season on?  If not then Moyes was just a puppet to get over Sir alex retiring.  LVG has spent fortunes more than moyes and sent the club even further backwards than Moyes did but is unsackable.  Truely incredible. 

LVG got hired to make and keep us a top 4 side for the foreseeable future, so we didn't do a Liverpool. And he's achieving exactly that. As long we keep making top 4, we still get the gravy train rolling in. We have no shot of winning the CL (like 13/16 teams left) and the difference in money between group stages and winning is only (i think) £25m. Getting knocked out while isn't pleasant is far from a disaster.

This is the trouble though you are being results orientated over a tiny sample size of games with big over performance points/league position wise.  Manure are not playing anywhere like a top 4 side over all known stats and performance indicators.  If managers get sacked over short sample sizes when they run 'bad' compared to the performances they should also get fired when they are being incredibly lucky and running miles ahead of their performances points/league position wise and manure's effective performance based on their wage bill/transfer spend is a big underachieve so far this season.

You might end up finishing in the top 4 this season but it will be far more to do with other sides issues rather than any improvement your gaffer has made.  I would suggest Moyes wouldn't have done any worse if he had spent the amount of cash that has been spent since he left.

[George2Loose]

I agree partly with what you're say arrboy. However I think Uniteds demise is being over stated. We have played pretty well at times. Last 10 games have been very poor going forward but that's because I still think he doesn't know his best 11.

Gary Monk sacking just shows how short sighted football chairman are

[david3103]

I agree partly with what you're say arrboy. However I think Uniteds demise is being over stated. We have played pretty well at times. Last 10 games have been very poor going forward but that's because I still think he doesn't know his best 11.

Gary Monk sacking just shows how short sighted football chairman are

Other than the period after Watford equalised, when have we played 'pretty well' in United terms?

tbf to LVG it's a fair while since we actually looked like a Manchester United team playing well.

[George2Loose]

If you're comparing the team to the Fergie era any team will pale in comparison. Have to have a touch of pragmatism about it