What to do.

[snoopy1239]

I really get myself into trouble sometimes. Here's what happened next.

***** Hand History for Game 3227815385 *****

$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 19, 12:57:41 EDT 2005
Table Table  68511 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: mrpaulppp ( $491.60 )
Seat 2: PMilanov ( $404.30 )
Seat 6: yoivan ( $111.90 )
Seat 8: snoopy1239 ( $356 )
Seat 9: MadRasputin ( $351.50 )
Seat 5: Perfect_ ( $143.56 )
Seat 7: Gut_Dam_U ( $290.20 )
Seat 10: Silky_DC ( $76 )
Seat 3: hardman7 ( $385.40 )
Seat 4: amcawker1 ( $160 )
yoivan posts small blind [$2].
Gut_Dam_U posts big blind [$4].
amcawker1 posts big blind [$4].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

snoopy1239 raises [$15].
MadRasputin calls [$15].
Silky_DC folds.
mrpaulppp calls [$15].
PMilanov folds.
hardman7 folds.
amcawker1 folds.
Perfect_ folds.
yoivan folds.
Gut_Dam_U folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 bets [$30].
MadRasputin calls [$30].
mrpaulppp folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]

snoopy1239 checks.
MadRasputin bets [$50].
snoopy1239 calls [$50].

** Dealing River ** [ ]


I really shouldn't have called this, but I was sure he had an overpair like tens or something and thought I could get paid if I hit a 4, 2, or 7. I was pretty sure he didn't have trips or a full house, and I didn't think he could have just overcards at this point. Anyway, I'm defending my bad play now, but, considering the turn of events here, should I just give up this hand?

[TightEnd]

don't tell me you bet again?
 


check fold

[Nem]

don't tell me you bet again?
 

[thetank]

My first thought was to give up the hand and not throw good money after bad.

After a wee think, I think a decent stop-bluff bet of around $100 would have value here. He could easily have been on a missed draw.
The $100 bet might also get him to pass a hand better than your own such as a middle pair.

The call on the turn was god-awful but a (self-weighted) bet on the river would not be.

[12barblues]

The call on the turn was god-awful but a (self-weighted) bet on the river would not be.

Sorry if I'm being thick, but what does 'self-weighted' mean in this context?  I thought I understood it in a pre-flop context where you want to be non-self-weighting i.e. bet more on good hands and less on junk, but I don't understand what it means here.

[thetank]

By self-weight I meant judging what to do by the situation you find yourself in only and not on the action that has gone before. What has already been put into the pot doesn't matter, it's no longer your money.

Quick example,
You raise to 500 pre flop and someone goes all-in for 1500. You'd need to call 1000 chips to win a 3000 pot. You feel that you are 40% to win it. You've put 1500 chips into the pot when you are a 40% dog so it could be viewed by some as a bad play. When you self-weight whether to call the 1000 or not though, it's the right play.

[12barblues]

Thanks. I haven't seen self-weighting' used in that context before. In your example I would call the initial 500 a 'sunk cost' and as such is irrelevant to the decision facing you now, i.e. whether to call the 1000. Same thought process, different terminology.

[snoopy1239]

Thought I'd give you guys a chuckle. This is how it all panned out.


***** Hand History for Game 3227815385 *****

$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 19, 12:57:41 EDT 2005
Table Table  68511 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: mrpaulppp ( $491.60 )
Seat 2: PMilanov ( $404.30 )
Seat 6: yoivan ( $111.90 )
Seat 8: snoopy1239 ( $356 )
Seat 9: MadRasputin ( $351.50 )
Seat 5: Perfect_ ( $143.56 )
Seat 7: Gut_Dam_U ( $290.20 )
Seat 10: Silky_DC ( $76 )
Seat 3: hardman7 ( $385.40 )
Seat 4: amcawker1 ( $160 )
yoivan posts small blind [$2].
Gut_Dam_U posts big blind [$4].
amcawker1 posts big blind [$4].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

snoopy1239 raises [$15].
MadRasputin calls [$15].
Silky_DC folds.
mrpaulppp calls [$15].
PMilanov folds.
hardman7 folds.
amcawker1 folds.
Perfect_ folds.
yoivan folds.
Gut_Dam_U folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 bets [$30].
MadRasputin calls [$30].
mrpaulppp folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]

snoopy1239 checks.
MadRasputin bets [$50].
snoopy1239 calls [$50].

** Dealing River ** [ ]

snoopy1239 is all-In.
MadRasputin is all-In.

snoopy1239 shows [ , ] two pairs, sixes and fours.
MadRasputin shows [ , As ] two pairs, aces and sixes.

snoopy1239 wins $4.50 from  side pot #1  with two pairs, sixes and fours.

MadRasputin wins $725 from  the main pot  with two pairs, aces and sixes.


This is how not to play a hand

[Nem]

Oh dear.

[thetank]

Oh, eh....erm.....hmmmm.

Brave post.

[Royal Flush]

OK i'll do it:

 

That said cheers for posting it for us snoops.

[snoopy1239]

I am forming my defense as we speak.

[thetank]

I am forming my defense as we speak.

You wanted to buy us all a winter giggle?

Awww, thanks snoops, you're the best

[The Baron]

Defence?

A real Villa fan!

[snoopy1239]

If you look carefully, I did win a side-pot.