Live deep 2/5 QQ in 4bet pot river spot

[George2Loose]

did u call?

[titaniumbean]

I don't quite understand the 4b + pot control on turn?

[cambridgealex]

did u call?

yeh I called. was good vs Mitch. Florian had the AJo

I don't quite understand the 4b + pot control on turn?

Well it was to try and get a chunky street of river value, either from florian who would overvalue TT or 99 or Mitch who would either spas out with air, or hero me cos my hand is so underrepped.

[Whollyflush]

How come you didn't bet the turn? edit: sorry just seen above post

I think check/bet/bet is a good line on this board texture.

I'd almost never play it this way, but id do a little fold i think as i have no idea whats going on.

[Mitch]

You shouldnt have said what i had in the OP as giving people information about things during the hand, that you didnt have at time, makes an impact on how people respond.

A couple of things; some stuff me and Alex went through last night.

Firstly, he is 100% is peeling all pairs. (dunno why u put he isnt!?!)

Ive played with him loads recently and im pretty confident i know exactly how he plays almost all situations, maily because he sits next to me, shows me all his cards and talks through each hand with me that he plays) TY

He is pretty terrible at value betting anything but the nuts, especially in big pots that he isnt the original raiser in. All hands he has here that are not JX and pairs that have turned into houses, he check calls, i would say 90% of the time. The only things that arent those hands which he could possibly be betting are AA and KK, but hes deffo raising these again pre.

As hes only betting nuts or air, i had a tilty spewy attempt at getting it though, hoping to rep a house vs u and just get him to lay down his bluff.

As soon as u started tanking i regretted telling you the read on him about 20 mins earlier.

Basically, he is never laying down what he would consider a 'big hand'. Eg if he has a 9 on a KK992 board he will call the lot off, same with a bare 8 on a 4567X board, so i would always shove 89 here for eg. Therefore when Alex sees me only 2.5x'ing his bet, he can be sure i dont have the house.

Was fair to say i was regretting giving him the info.

Anyway, i think your in a tough spot with your hand. I would bet the turn, but mainly because your guessing when u get a lot of action on the river, but to be fair, if my read was right, and you have magically managed to induced a bet and squeeze on the river, your a fucking hero and have made an extra £1k lolz.

[GreekStein]

Ya I said bet turn earlier on itt. Makes it a lot easier to play.

Maybe I'm being too much of an omaha head but the pot not being closed has to be a big factor here.

[titaniumbean]

Ya I said bet turn earlier on itt. Makes it a lot easier to play.

Maybe I'm being too much of an omaha head but the pot not being closed has to be a big factor here.

this doesn't matter if the bluff frequencies are tiny.

but as we have no idea what's going on i'd just fold river.

[cambridgealex]

You shouldnt have said what i had in the OP as giving people information about things during the hand, that you didnt have at time, makes an impact on how people respond.

A couple of things; some stuff me and Alex went through last night.

Firstly, he is 100% is peeling all pairs. (dunno why u put he isnt!?!)

Ive played with him loads recently and im pretty confident i know exactly how he plays almost all situations, maily because he sits next to me, shows me all his cards and talks through each hand with me that he plays) TY

He is pretty terrible at value betting anything but the nuts, especially in big pots that he isnt the original raiser in. All hands he has here that are not JX and pairs that have turned into houses, he check calls, i would say 90% of the time. The only things that arent those hands which he could possibly be betting are AA and KK, but hes deffo raising these again pre.

As hes only betting nuts or air, i had a tilty spewy attempt at getting it though, hoping to rep a house vs u and just get him to lay down his bluff.

As soon as u started tanking i regretted telling you the read on him about 20 mins earlier.

Basically, he is never laying down what he would consider a 'big hand'. Eg if he has a 9 on a KK992 board he will call the lot off, same with a bare 8 on a 4567X board, so i would always shove 89 here for eg. Therefore when Alex sees me only 2.5x'ing his bet, he can be sure i dont have the house.

Was fair to say i was regretting giving him the info.

Anyway, i think your in a tough spot with your hand. I would bet the turn, but mainly because your guessing when u get a lot of action on the river, but to be fair, if my read was right, and you have magically managed to induced a bet and squeeze on the river, your a fucking hero and have made an extra £1k lolz.

yeh thanks for that nugget i knew you didnt have a house or AJ I think even you fold most Jxs  here pre. So I played the hand this way to get this sort of response. Well I wanted either you to spas out, OR florian to pay me off/vbet worse. Didn't want both lol. Unfortunately Mitch hadn't told me that florian never vbets thin in big pots and always wants to get to showdown. I just assumed he'd vbet TT or 99 or A8 here, and if he is, overcalling with QQ makes sense.

You shouldnt have said what i had in the OP as giving people information about things during the hand, that you didnt have at time, makes an impact on how people respond.

I didnt, I said you might have that sort of hand (they didnt know at the time thats what you actually hand). Fwiw everyone responded anyway saying you're almost never gonna have an airball in that spot anyway....lol

[Mitch]

Free Advertising FTW! (note to self: no bluffing for 6 months, value town tickets to be given out only)


Yeh, AJ and similar is a fold when James 3bets the button because its crushed by the man from Nittington Town, Nitville

Im such a mug for giving you loads of info on all the players in the 2/5 games. Im gonna level the fuck outta myself every time we play together now.

BUT IT WILL BE SO MUCH FUN!

[cambridgealex]

Im such a mug for giving you loads of info on all the players in the 2/5 games. Im gonna level the fuck outta myself every time we play together now.
BUT IT WILL BE SO MUCH FUN!

thats what mates are for mitch! and yeh will be a sick levelling match! just give me loads of sevensssssssss!!!

Yeh, AJ and similar is a fold when James 3bets the button because its crushed by the man from Nittington Town, Nitville

yeh agreed 57ss>AJ vs his range.  didnt think you'd peel ne Jx in fact. except TJhearts

[SuuPRlim]

I think chking back the turn is absolutely fine, I know we got into a messy spot on the river but realistically this is a really extreme river action,

you're hand isnt THAT face up, starting to look more and more like AK as the streets go there isnt a huge amount to get THAT much value with mitch arkwardly hanging about, if its HU its an obv 2barrel min. perhaps we should be betting the turn for value but three way you're gonna struggle to get two decent streets of value so chk back at bet or call river ftw

as for the river I really dont see how its an easy fold WITHOUT the information that the fish is totally polarised (plus surely we'd expect him to bet a J on the turn a decent amount) when he vbets, given your read that mitch has air, when he can only really rep a couple of houses

In fact I think its really reallyhard to fold with given info and I certainly wouldn't have done. Im gonna go as far as to say that folding is bad.
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[cambridgealex]

I think chking back the turn is absolutely fine, I know we got into a messy spot on the river but realistically this is a really extreme river action,

you're hand isnt THAT face up, starting to look more and more like AK as the streets go there isnt a huge amount to get THAT much value with mitch arkwardly hanging about, if its HU its an obv 2barrel min. perhaps we should be betting the turn for value but three way you're gonna struggle to get two decent streets of value so chk back at bet or call river ftw

as for the river I really dont see how its an easy fold WITHOUT the information that the fish is totally polarised (plus surely we'd expect him to bet a J on the turn a decent amount) when he vbets, given your read that mitch has air, when he can only really rep a couple of houses

In fact I think its really reallyhard to fold with given info and I certainly wouldn't have done. Im gonna go as far as to say that folding is bad.
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agree, agree, and agree. happy times. at least one person is on my side then.

[DMorgan]

I really think you should bet the turn. By checking you're missing insane value from weaker 2 pair hands imo. Probs peeling a raise from Mitch, folding vs regfish.

As played I don't see how its not a snapfold. With Mitchs read on regfish the guy just never has worse and therefore Mitch should never have worse. Mitch said that it was a tilty/spewy attempt to get it through so it is what it is, bit of a freak situation but I don't think this should make you want to call in future

[SuuPRlim]

As played I don't see how its not a snapfold. With Mitchs read on regfish the guy just never has worse and therefore Mitch should never have worse. Mitch said that it was a tilty/spewy attempt to get it through so it is what it is, bit of a freak situation but I don't think this should make you want to call in future

yh but we didnt have that read at the time, we assumed he'd be spackering about with all kinds of stuff, obv after we've read mitchs post its a fold

[DMorgan]

I just think that its mighty optimistic to see both of them bluffing here. At the time that the hand played out we already knew that Mitch thought that regfish was bad so why would he ever minraise bluff the end? I've played a bit with this guy too, he always sits deep and he isn't scared money. I just don't see him ever bet/folding the river to Mitchs sizing and we can safely assume that Mitch knows this