|
outragous76
|
 |
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2011, 08:16:57 PM » |
|
Agreed alex
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
".....and then I spent 2 hours talking with Stu which blew my mind.........."
|
|
|
|
cambridgealex
|
|
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2011, 08:18:49 PM » |
|
raising flop is obv terrible. checking is also pretty bad imo guy, but check/folding is nut low option!
checking for pot control is meh, just lead dude. check/call if you're gonna. check all turn cards. if he fires again re-eval depending on card. Fold all clubs and Aces, call all 2-9. Interesting if board pairs on turn and he fires again.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Poker goals:
[ ] 7 figure score
[X] 8 figure score
|
|
|
|
redarmi
|
|
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2011, 08:19:38 PM » |
|
I checked the flop for pot control, as he raises so many of his 2 pair hands and I'm in a sticky spot! I wasn't expecting him to bet quite so big!
But everyone seems to think our AK is huge here, other than his air hands we are never in great shape with this hand. Even if we are ahead, any hand they get it in with is probably favourite to improve!
I'd didn't think I was ahead at the time and really wanted to get to the turn.
For me, raising was insanity
Calling was a fair option but oop I had no idea how I proceed
I folded the hand, I know his holding
For those saying lead, we are lead folding?, lead getting it in?
What hands are we good against?
I lead fold. Aas you say you are never going to be a massive favourite and could be drawing very thin. I would say his most likely holding here is two pair or a pair and a draw but you are only really in good shape versus something like AQ/AJ which I guess he could play like this. Interested in his comment that he likes this hand pre.....sounds like something pretty.....KQ/89 etc |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
cambridgealex
|
|
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2011, 08:23:08 PM » |
|
yeh bet/fold is best line imo.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Poker goals:
[ ] 7 figure score
[X] 8 figure score
|
|
|
|
mondatoo
|
|
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 08:26:32 PM » |
|
I'd say c/r is worse than c/f, Cbet/fold the flop. c/f most turns.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
GreekStein
Hero Member
Hero Member
 Offline
Posts: 20728
|
 |
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2011, 08:30:26 PM » |
|
Wow this about the simplest bet/fold spot ever.
This is complete butchery to fold here guy.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
@GreekStein on twitter.
Retired Policeman, Part time troll.
|
|
|
|
redarmi
|
|
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2011, 08:33:30 PM » |
|
As played I am not sure it is horrible to fold here. Probably call>fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>raise but pretty close between call and fold as played imo.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
outragous76
|
|
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2011, 08:41:57 PM » |
|
How can bet folding a flop be better than check calling?, ESP when we have a draw to the nuts!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
".....and then I spent 2 hours talking with Stu which blew my mind.........."
|
|
|
|
redarmi
|
|
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2011, 09:06:15 PM » |
|
You don't know it will be the nuts though. 25% of the time when you hit it will be  and then you have a tough decision. Think b/f>c/c for a lot of reasons but the most important is that you prevent hands that are behind you form taking the pot away from you as appears to have happened here. When you check then hands like QT/JT/KT/AQ/AJ might think that they are ahead and worth betting now. Effectively you are giving them the advantage of fold equity when you check. Most of those hands don't fold but they also don't have much chance of winning the hand on the flop when behind when you check. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Rupert
|
|
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2011, 09:21:54 PM » |
|
i'd check call see the turn
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
outragous76
|
|
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2011, 09:34:51 PM » |
|
i'd check call see the turn
my life is complete! I have to say in hindsight i wish i had called, but i had been running pretty terrible all night and was shoring up the defences. At the time i thought there were so few good cards that folding here wasnt terrible, given that I didnt have a definate plan for the turn. what i didnt give too much weight to at the time was his perception of my check call which I think can be as strong as it is weak. On the grounds I thought he had 2 pr a good % of the time here - i wish i had called - but didnt hate my fold in game at all |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
".....and then I spent 2 hours talking with Stu which blew my mind.........."
|
|
|
|
George2Loose
|
|
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2011, 09:40:05 PM » |
|
i'd check call see the turn
my life is complete!I have to say in hindsight i wish i had called, but i had been running pretty terrible all night and was shoring up the defences. At the time i thought there were so few good cards that folding here wasnt terrible, given that I didnt have a definate plan for the turn. what i didnt give too much weight to at the time was his perception of my check call which I think can be as strong as it is weak. On the grounds I thought he had 2 pr a good % of the time here - i wish i had called - but didnt hate my fold in game at all u check folded tho? |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Ole Ole Ole Ole!
|
|
|
GreekStein
Hero Member
Hero Member
Offline
Posts: 20728
|
|
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2011, 09:44:51 PM » |
|
Rupert I know you've got the world in an ept and I've just busted a local £200f but why would you rather check than bet? I think that's wrong in a £0.50/1 live game.
We will get lots of value from weaker j10/q10 hands, even fishy 10x and acex hands that will often check behind.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
@GreekStein on twitter.
Retired Policeman, Part time troll.
|
|
|
|
Rupert
|
|
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2011, 10:10:07 PM » |
|
sometimes we get blown off the best hand if we bet, sometimes we deceive them and get a bet out of say 88 that sorta stuff. i think bet folding is fine but i'd just check call, i'd probs check call AA too
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
redarmi
|
|
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2011, 10:37:12 PM » |
|
sometimes we get blown off the best hand if we bet, sometimes we deceive them and get a bet out of say 88 that sorta stuff. i think bet folding is fine but i'd just check call, i'd probs check call AA too
Think this is wrong to be honest at this stake level. A worse hand is almost never raising here. Only6 hand I can see doing that is a tilted or spewy AK |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Author