Hand with Julian Thew - 2nd nuts ever good here?

[cambridgealex]

1/2 at DTD. Fish playing £130 opens in the lojack+1 to £7. Julian, playing £470ish in the cutoff 3bets to £20. I cover and have in the small blind. I call, the big blind calls, fish calls.

Pot = £80 

checks to Julian who bets £42, I call. BB folds, shortstack shoves for £110 total. Julain doesn't think for too long, before calling. I also elect to call.

Pot = £410 1 player allin. on the turn

I check, Julian bets £120 into the dry sidepot, with about £200 behind.

I don't expect Julian ever to bet AK in this spot, I didn't think it that likely also that he'd 3b a shortstack with AJ although I thought it possible. He confirmed both afterwards.

I'm not being results orientated, can we find a fold here? He has to have AA here surely? Obviously it's massively cold, and I expect to get a ton of abuse for posting this, but I think it's possible to get away here. Is it?

[Solaris]

What are we putting then shortstack on? Some sort of Ax combo making it extremely unlikely Julian has AA - surely?

Given that I'm stacking off. Just a horribly cold deck.

[EvilPie]

I don't expect Julian ever to bet AK in this spot, I didn't think it that likely also that he'd 3b a shortstack with AJ although I thought it possible. He confirmed both afterwards.

This information was not available to you prior to the hand.

Every now and then you get coolered. Don't ever fold 2nd set. It's bad.

[Woodsey]

Am I fuck ever folding JJ here  

[AndrewT]

Run better Jules.

[outragous76]

Terrible Terrible fold if you did.

Sometimes you just gotta take the pain.

AA is as likely as AJ - let alone the fact he could jsut be V betting AK (putting you on an A too given your call)

[pleno1]

fold.

[cambridgealex]

we have to put him on something that we beat to make stacking off ok. what can he have?

[outragous76]

fold.

does he not keep betting with 44?

[Solaris]

fold.

does he not keep betting with 44?

Is he 3betting 4's from the CO? Surely just flat and go to a flop?

[outragous76]

fold.

does he not keep betting with 44?

Is he 3betting 4's from the CO? Surely just flat and go to a flop?

obv depends on table dynamic, who is on teh button and who is the the pot - but yeah - he can

[cambridgealex]

never 3betting 44 pre
never betting AK ott
probably not 3betting AJ pre

only hand he plays like this is aces

[Solaris]

never 3betting 44 pre
never betting AK ott
probably not 3betting AJ pre

only hand he plays like this is aces

Surely this is being results orientated to say that? What did you put the fish on at the time? Any Ax combo means Julians unlikely to have AA so you almost have to stack off. It's virtually impossible not too.

[EvilPie]

44, AJ, AK, AQ, KK, QQ in order of likeliness.

If Julian thinks he's beating the fish he can try to get you off a better hand with this line.

Alternatively he can be betting for value with 44 or AA to win or lose a cooler.

[titaniumbean]

Fold pre?!

That or don't fold when you make the set.

Aces is in his range, it isn't his whole range.