Hand with Julian Thew - 2nd nuts ever good here?

[EvilPie]

I've remembered. The Ace of spades definitely wasn't on the flop. The shortstack had   and scooped the main pot.

well that's of no consequence, the As is also in Julians range then. But my point is that live hhs are so full of holes and inaccuracies and mis remembered stack sizes etc it's much harder to give good analysis than an online hh.

I agree in general. In this case everything is spot on!

Yes we can now consider  as part of his range. I don't even know whether he'd bet that on the turn....hoping he comes on to answer!

Surely with AKs he's betting vs the fish he's trying to iso?!


You seem to know Julians game probably better than he does? if so you should play every street perfectly vs him easily?

I'm not saying I know his game, I don't at all! I asked him afterwards what he would have done with certain hands in that spot, and I'm relaying that information onto this thread.

Matt, it's ridiculous to suggest that because I feel that MAYBE I can narrow his range in THIS SPOT down to one hand, that I should go and play 100/200 online.

I didn't use the word maybe.

Also +1 to what Titbeam said. Julian is a very nice guy but he is at DTD for the same reason as everybody else.

His line in this hand was 100% designed to get you to put everything you have in to this pot.

Unfortunately for him the side pot and the board made his hand look ridiculously strong so he had to get you stuck in a cooler to achieve his goal.

[Longy]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

They are 2 different things tbf. Discussing general theory with other online players especially in games which have massive player pools is a bit different that discussing your exact range with someone who you are playing with day in day out in a small player pool.

[cambridgealex]

I've remembered. The Ace of spades definitely wasn't on the flop. The shortstack had   and scooped the main pot.

well that's of no consequence, the As is also in Julians range then. But my point is that live hhs are so full of holes and inaccuracies and mis remembered stack sizes etc it's much harder to give good analysis than an online hh.

I agree in general. In this case everything is spot on!

Yes we can now consider  as part of his range. I don't even know whether he'd bet that on the turn....hoping he comes on to answer!

Surely with AKs he's betting vs the fish he's trying to iso?!


You seem to know Julians game probably better than he does? if so you should play every street perfectly vs him easily?

I'm not saying I know his game, I don't at all! I asked him afterwards what he would have done with certain hands in that spot, and I'm relaying that information onto this thread.

Matt, it's ridiculous to suggest that because I feel that MAYBE I can narrow his range in THIS SPOT down to one hand, that I should go and play 100/200 online.

I didn't use the word maybe.

Also +1 to what Titbeam said. Julian is a very nice guy but he is at DTD for the same reason as everybody else.

His line in this hand was 100% designed to get you to put everything you have in to this pot.

Unfortunately for him the side pot and the board made his hand look ridiculously strong so he had to get you stuck in a cooler to achieve his goal.

I'm quite certain he played the hand to make the most money possible, of course he did. I'm also certain that after the hand, he would answer any questions honestly up until the point he felt he was giving away too much information.

[EvilPie]

I'm quite certain he played the hand to make the most money possible, of course he did. I'm also certain that after the hand, he would answer any questions honestly up until the point he felt he was giving away too much information.

So if you get in to the same spot again with Julian you're planning to fold?

Are there many players you would fold this same spot against given your recent analysis of the hand?

[smashedagain]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

They are 2 different things tbf. Discussing general theory with other online players especially in games which have massive player pools is a bit different that discussing your exact range with someone who you are playing with day in day out in a small player pool.

sorry longy i dont know if i know you but some of the time my posts seem to be taking the piss by those who dont know me. no offence intended

[titaniumbean]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

You don't see my point, if Julian plays in the DTD 1/2 game regularly, and he is going to play Alex regularly yet he wants to sit there dissecting his ranges at different points of a hand such that Alex can put him on one hand exclusively is that really a good idea?

[smashedagain]

I've remembered. The Ace of spades definitely wasn't on the flop. The shortstack had   and scooped the main pot.

well that's of no consequence, the As is also in Julians range then. But my point is that live hhs are so full of holes and inaccuracies and mis remembered stack sizes etc it's much harder to give good analysis than an online hh.

I agree in general. In this case everything is spot on!

Yes we can now consider  as part of his range. I don't even know whether he'd bet that on the turn....hoping he comes on to answer!

Surely with AKs he's betting vs the fish he's trying to iso?!


You seem to know Julians game probably better than he does? if so you should play every street perfectly vs him easily?

I'm not saying I know his game, I don't at all! I asked him afterwards what he would have done with certain hands in that spot, and I'm relaying that information onto this thread.

Matt, it's ridiculous to suggest that because I feel that MAYBE I can narrow his range in THIS SPOT down to one hand, that I should go and play 100/200 online.

I didn't use the word maybe.

Also +1 to what Titbeam said. Julian is a very nice guy but he is at DTD for the same reason as everybody else.

His line in this hand was 100% designed to get you to put everything you have in to this pot.

Unfortunately for him the side pot and the board made his hand look ridiculously strong so he had to get you stuck in a cooler to achieve his goal.

so julian has the nuts? Julian would feel bad stacking some people off with AA here and would sigh shrug his sholders and mouth the words "sorry what could i do?".....but he would feel 1 million times worse getting some people to fold their hand that he aint beating by betting into the dry pot.  i would put mylife on the line that Julian checks almost every other hand here and if he likes Alex as much as i do he is betting to tell Alex and to prevent Alex from doing his dough in himself.... my get out clause when i am wrong in this hand has now become if he has not got aces "he hates alex and must be on a draw and ovb gets there "

[outragous76]

Awaiting Julian to come and advertise to a bunch of DTD regs that he only 3 bets AA KK QQ pre from the c/o


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[smashedagain]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

You don't see my point, if Julian plays in the DTD 1/2 game regularly, and he is going to play Alex regularly yet he wants to sit there dissecting his ranges at different points of a hand such that Alex can put him on one hand exclusively is that really a good idea?

you do know julian (nicest guy in poker) dont you andy. it all boils down to this....
[X] julian likes alex
or
[ ] julian likes alex

[Solaris]

I've remembered. The Ace of spades definitely wasn't on the flop. The shortstack had   and scooped the main pot.

well that's of no consequence, the As is also in Julians range then. But my point is that live hhs are so full of holes and inaccuracies and mis remembered stack sizes etc it's much harder to give good analysis than an online hh.

I agree in general. In this case everything is spot on!

Yes we can now consider  as part of his range. I don't even know whether he'd bet that on the turn....hoping he comes on to answer!

Surely with AKs he's betting vs the fish he's trying to iso?!


You seem to know Julians game probably better than he does? if so you should play every street perfectly vs him easily?

I'm not saying I know his game, I don't at all! I asked him afterwards what he would have done with certain hands in that spot, and I'm relaying that information onto this thread.

Matt, it's ridiculous to suggest that because I feel that MAYBE I can narrow his range in THIS SPOT down to one hand, that I should go and play 100/200 online.

I didn't use the word maybe.

Also +1 to what Titbeam said. Julian is a very nice guy but he is at DTD for the same reason as everybody else.

His line in this hand was 100% designed to get you to put everything you have in to this pot.

Unfortunately for him the side pot and the board made his hand look ridiculously strong so he had to get you stuck in a cooler to achieve his goal.

so julian has the nuts? Julian would feel bad stacking some people off with AA here and would sigh shrug his sholders and mouth the words "sorry what could i do?".....but he would feel 1 million times worse getting some people to fold their hand that he aint beating by betting into the dry pot.  i would put mylife on the line that Julian checks almost every other hand here and if he likes Alex as much as i do he is betting to tell Alex and to prevent Alex from doing his dough in himself.... my get out clause when i am wrong in this hand has now become if he has not got aces "he hates alex and must be on a draw and ovb gets there "

In short: Julian hates money.

[titaniumbean]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

You don't see my point, if Julian plays in the DTD 1/2 game regularly, and he is going to play Alex regularly yet he wants to sit there dissecting his ranges at different points of a hand such that Alex can put him on one hand exclusively is that really a good idea?

you do know julian (nicest guy in poker) dont you andy. it all boils down to this....
[X] julian likes alex
or
[ ] julian likes alex

So Julian is a poker pro with a conscience and a tonne of friends?

Who does he try and win off then?!

Some of the stuff suggested in this thread is so dumb it should be a level, the fact it's probably not a level shows why live is such a joke.

[smashedagain]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

You don't see my point, if Julian plays in the DTD 1/2 game regularly, and he is going to play Alex regularly yet he wants to sit there dissecting his ranges at different points of a hand such that Alex can put him on one hand exclusively is that really a good idea?

you do know julian (nicest guy in poker) dont you andy. it all boils down to this....
[X] julian likes alex
or
[ ] julian likes alex

So Julian is a poker pro with a conscience and a tonne of friends?

Who does he try and win off then?!

Some of the stuff suggested in this thread is so dumb it should be a level, the fact it's probably not a level shows why live is such a joke.

julian hates no one or nothing especially money.

agreed julian does have a conscience and a tonne of friends

he wins of everyone who wants to feed his kids

and i love you so much andy. 


Julian is on another level always. he knows what you know and adjusts his game as each and every situation is unique.

[Longy]

cos he's nice and not everyone has monetary or personal gain as a motive for every one of their actions.

So this is all one big level then?!

You're not playing for money when you play Julian then or he is just desperate to give away every detail of his game and thought process?

so when you discuss online hand histories with others everyone talks bollox because they dont want you to learn incase you take their money. no they tell you what or how they play it to help you. exactly the same as Julian would.

They are 2 different things tbf. Discussing general theory with other online players especially in games which have massive player pools is a bit different that discussing your exact range with someone who you are playing with day in day out in a small player pool.

sorry longy i dont know if i know you but some of the time my posts seem to be taking the piss by those who dont know me. no offence intended

Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of your company, it is one of my life ambitions though!

No offence taken at all.

[Solaris]

Is smashedagain on a huge level? I'm getting confused now.

[pleno1]

Please dont let smashedagain be our defence. OFC Julian is looking to make as much $ as possible, but I still think he has doessssss Aces.