Another Live Hand :)

[Patonius2000]

c/r turn really small imo

This is a disaster play but I know nothing about exploiting live idiots so you might be right.

[pleno1]

I think its really bad against idiots/pros/regs/nits. Can see almost all of them folding everythng worse.

[smashedagain]

c/r turn really small imo

This is a disaster play but I know nothing about exploiting live idiots so you might be right.

this legend uses the word to describe poor players so i refuse to stop calling em idiots

[pleno1]

I think donk/calling the flop is pretty bad. You're oop with 4 high against an uncapped range with terrible visibilty (i.e. you're basically bluffcatching when you turn gin and you have no showdown value)

This is so true and one of biggest mistakes live players make. Really like this line (as in the speech by Patonius not the play by Lild ldo )

[Honeybadger]

What Patonius said. I wrote out a reply, then realised I was just repeating his advice using different words.

Dave, you seem a little too confident in your narrowing of his range and certainty that he hardly has any higher flush draws in it. More importantly, if the flush comes on the turn you are not exactly going to be fist-pumping if villain seems to want to build a big pot vs you (which is part of the reason why you should not call villain's flop raise). His raising range on the flop is much different from his range for getting all in by the river if a flush card comes on the turn.

[TheFallen]

+1 to hating a bet call line OTF.

"I think it goes c/f > b/c > b/f > c/c in order of preferable flop lines and I think the first two are almost always near on identical."  why isnt c/r flop an option (or did i miss it skimming thru posts).

[SuuPRlim]

this hand was 6 months ago nearly. and i prolly wouldn't play it the same now nor do I think its the best line the one I took

I had a pretty strong belief that he would behave a certain way with X hands and took a different line, i think I should fold pre, and fold the flop as stnd