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« on: July 10, 2011, 04:59:41 PM » |
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Solaris
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2011, 05:06:11 PM » |
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Hardly surprising. I thought this would be the way clubs get around the issue. Chelsea will do the exact same thing.
Most top clubs don't breakeven and the reality is UEFA will play hard ball but ultimately won't do a thing.
Can you imagine the likes of Chelsea, Barca, United and all those others in huge debt being told they're banned from Europe? Not a chance in hell.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2011, 05:56:18 PM » |
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People outlined loopholes years ago. Whats to stop one of abramovich's companies sponsoring the match day balls every week for 5 years for 400m? so they break even and therefore are allowed to spend spend spend at a huge lose if it was not for the generous sponsorship.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 06:07:13 PM » |
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I think people have already looked at it and said it's not that far out from what other people get when you look at everything they are sponsoring.
Barca are getting a huge amount this year just for shirt sponsorship and this covers a lot more.
You can't just hire out a car parking space to Abramovich for 100million a season. It has to be comparable to what others get.
Also not great to compare it to the Arsenal deal that they are/where looking to buy themselves out of as it's well below the market value now.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 06:31:45 PM » |
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I think people have already looked at it and said it's not that far out from what other people get when you look at everything they are sponsoring.
Barca are getting a huge amount this year just for shirt sponsorship and this covers a lot more.
You can't just hire out a car parking space to Abramovich for 100million a season. It has to be comparable to what others get.
Also not great to compare it to the Arsenal deal that they are/where looking to buy themselves out of as it's well below the market value now.
Which City's deal isn't. A team gets into the CL for the first time and can command a deal that dwarfs any other in history? Behave. |
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Josedinho
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2011, 07:56:55 PM » |
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As I said people have looked at it and think that they will easily be able to justify it.
£20mil a year shirt sponsorship is the same as Liverpool and they have no Champions League and less than Barcelona.
£10mil a year stadium sponsorship. Not a lot to compare it too but there are some pretty big deals done by American sports teams.
Plus a few extras. I think they'll get it through.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 08:22:53 PM » |
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As I said people have looked at it and think that they will easily be able to justify it.
£20mil a year shirt sponsorship is the same as Liverpool and they have no Champions League and less than Barcelona.
£10mil a year stadium sponsorship. Not a lot to compare it too but there are some pretty big deals done by American sports teams.
Plus a few extras. I think they'll get it through.
Of course it will. This is why the rules are a joke. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2011, 09:13:38 PM » |
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As I said people have looked at it and think that they will easily be able to justify it.
£20mil a year shirt sponsorship is the same as Liverpool and they have no Champions League and less than Barcelona.
£10mil a year stadium sponsorship. Not a lot to compare it too but there are some pretty big deals done by American sports teams.
Plus a few extras. I think they'll get it through.
True but Liverpool and Barca are proper teams. Man City is a diddy team compared to those teams. Noone outside Manchester gives a crap about city and therefore 400mill is simply laughable. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2011, 09:26:33 PM » |
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Do you have a better suggestion as to how clubs like City can become a "proper" club?
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 09:32:16 PM » |
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Do you have a better suggestion as to how clubs like City can become a "proper" club?
A better suggestion that by messing around your figures and just do some dodgy accounting? Yeah, how about you go on the way you are going and try to get something going in the CL and challenge for a few titles. (Though that will obv be difficult if you pay over the odds for average players) |
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2011, 10:03:19 PM » |
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Do you have a better suggestion as to how clubs like City can become a "proper" club?
Spurs seem to be doing a pretty good job of it. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2011, 10:53:29 PM » |
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As I said people have looked at it and think that they will easily be able to justify it.
£20mil a year shirt sponsorship is the same as Liverpool and they have no Champions League and less than Barcelona.
£10mil a year stadium sponsorship. Not a lot to compare it too but there are some pretty big deals done by American sports teams.
Plus a few extras. I think they'll get it through.
Of course it will. This is why the rules are a joke. How come? A shirt sponsorship deal at the level of a team in the same league as them that doesn't have Champions League football or any European football next season and stadium rights at the same level as 2 other teams in the same league were advertising theirs at seems like "market value" to me. Having any rule that has to judge what the market value is was always going to have grey areas but don't you think it's generally a positive move? Any rule based on profit alone could be abused, no rule would mean clubs could lose as much as they liked for as long as they liked which is dangerous. It's not a perfect solution but I don't know if there is a better one. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 12:08:56 AM » |
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It matters for shit, lol at Man U ever getting banned from the CL, O RLY! They would never do fk all.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2011, 12:23:18 AM » |
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As I said people have looked at it and think that they will easily be able to justify it.
£20mil a year shirt sponsorship is the same as Liverpool and they have no Champions League and less than Barcelona.
£10mil a year stadium sponsorship. Not a lot to compare it too but there are some pretty big deals done by American sports teams.
Plus a few extras. I think they'll get it through.
Of course it will. This is why the rules are a joke. How come? A shirt sponsorship deal at the level of a team in the same league as them that doesn't have Champions League football or any European football next season and stadium rights at the same level as 2 other teams in the same league were advertising theirs at seems like "market value" to me. Having any rule that has to judge what the market value is was always going to have grey areas but don't you think it's generally a positive move? Any rule based on profit alone could be abused, no rule would mean clubs could lose as much as they liked for as long as they liked which is dangerous. It's not a perfect solution but I don't know if there is a better one. It's ridic as where was Spurs' £400m deal once they broke the top 4? Do you think City scoured the globe for the highest bidder? It's the "Market Value" for the very, very biggest club, then add a few million for good measure. I guess I can only hope Bill Gates buys us then Microsoft pays us £1 billion in "Sponsorship" - based on City's new deal this would be "market value" for a club like Liverpool if they make the top 4 again. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2011, 08:40:16 PM » |
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Do you have a better suggestion as to how clubs like City can become a "proper" club?
Spurs seem to be doing a pretty good job of it. Not sure if that was for comedy value or not but I Loled  |
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