Get off my Train

[outragous76]

Sorry my misunderstanding - i thought that was why

back to my "ignoring this thread" shaped hole!

carry on

[Rod Paradise]

I have had worse shaving cuts. and my knees/shins look a million times worse every time i play football. He was thrown down as he kept fighting back to try and get back on the train he had no right to be on! Requested the attack? he asked him to be removed, he didn't say beat him up and jump up and down on his head.

at·tack (-tk)
v. at·tacked, at·tack·ing, at·tacks
v.tr.
1. To set upon with violent force.
2. To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.


1. The big man was deliberate and forceful. I wouldn't say he was violent. He tried to usher him out of the carriage but the dodger kept trying to fight his way out of the man's clutches.
2. I would say the young man lead a verbal attack on the elderly fragile controller

I really hope the big fella doesn't get punished in any way. This would make an example that people can't just go around not buying tickets and gobbing off as they please.

Amazing - you considered the boy threatening for sitting in a seat and swearing but the man non-violent for hauling the boy up by the scruff, forcing him off a train & then throwing him to the ground.

Again, no doubt you'd have left the train peacefully in his circumstances, leaving your bag, iPad and all on the train.

[nirvana]

I wouldn't imagine Ticket Inspectors are encouraged by any company to get into confrontation but then I don't know as I am not one.

I personally do get sick of having the piss taken out of me continuously day in day out same old excuses etc, some days it is easier to just shrug and walk away than others. Sometimes it's just that sneer that can wind one up, other times I can just walk away.

I don't think bank tellers have to deal with robbers on a daily basis though so hard to relate the two in my opinion.

It sounds like a very tough job, was genuinely wondering if the collectors were 'expected' to be persistent or whether a more personal safety slant was put on things.
Can well understand the sneer or taking the mick really being too much at times

[Rod Paradise]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I actually think that has a lot to do with it Geo, think the vid hitting the news and speculation on him getting charged might have had an influence as well. Mnd you we've no certainty he's made a complaint - every chance the complaints were brought by interfering people taking whichever side.

[nirvana]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

Not cynical, just expressing a view, albeit one that ascribes emotions and thought processes to people as pure conjecture.

However, it's a fact that the big guy mildly brutalised the small guy - unprovoked. Unless sitting around waiting for 5 mins is a reasonable justification - I wouldn't think that it is in any era.

[ManuelsMum]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

[Geo the Sarge]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

[ManuelsMum]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

[Geo the Sarge]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

I don't believe you to be so stupid but I'll help you anyway:

From Wiki

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

Happy to help

Geo

[ManuelsMum]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

I don't believe you to be so stupid but I'll help you anyway:

From Wiki

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

Happy to help

Geo

I'm aware of the difference between murder and manslaughter, you might want to gen up on the scope of 'murder' though as you seem to think it includes only homicides by those who intend to deliberately cause someone's death.

[Geo the Sarge]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

I don't believe you to be so stupid but I'll help you anyway:

From Wiki

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

Happy to help

Geo

I'm aware of the difference between murder and manslaughter, you might want to gen up on the scope of 'murder' though as you seem to think it includes only homicides by those who intend to deliberately cause someone's death.

Not at all, if you read up on murder the laws in England and Wales and Scottish law vary and I'm fairly confident that in Scotland a murder charge is very unlikely to be applied in this case.

Geo

[craigbetts]

The guy who actually filmed the footage said the dialogue was going on for 5 mins before he started recording, he said at first he felt sorry for the lad and was going to pay the fare for him, but then the lad turned abusive and his language was appalling so he decided to film him instead.

More than giving him a free ticket with this recording!

[ManuelsMum]

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

I don't believe you to be so stupid but I'll help you anyway:

From Wiki

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

Happy to help

Geo

I'm aware of the difference between murder and manslaughter, you might want to gen up on the scope of 'murder' though as you seem to think it includes only homicides by those who intend to deliberately cause someone's death.

Not at all, if you read up on murder the laws in England and Wales and Scottish law vary and I'm fairly confident that in Scotland a murder charge is very unlikely to be applied in this case.

Geo

I've watched Taggart all my life, so I'm well-versed in the difference between murdar and culpabal hoamicide.

[mulhuzz]

if the guy had thrown him to the ground, and killed him, then yes, it's feasible that both in Scotland and in England a charge of murder could be brought. Even in Scotland. For the record, it's more likely that a constructive manslaughter charge would be brought in such a case to avoid the nasty little issue of proving intent (which doesn't have to be intent to kill, btw).

source: law degree

[Dewi_cool]

In Summary;  the ticket inspector was a twat for not doing his job, the student was a twat for his attitude, and the big lad was a twat for throwing another twat off the train, sorted.