£2 £5 blinds Vic card room (Missed Value ?)

[Skgv]

Afetr a few losing sessions in £5 £10 NL game an a ear battering at Kalooki mentally an finacially by the legend Ali at £50 £100 £200, Alan Maclean was also playing btw an a really nice guy! After a good nites sleep i decided as i drove along to the Vic from the hotel i would drop down stakes which is something i dont do normally when on tilt but hey after playing for so many years an doing the same mistakes eventually you must learn right ?

Ok that summerises my mental state at that time an now after playing against the daily regs on thursday i found myself in a hand were i might of missplayed a hand an as a losing run will have you doubt every move i thought i d get some thoughts from my friends!

Probaly didnt have the best image on the table at the time but most new i was fairly capable player an especialy the villian respected me as i respected him an we never have tangled in the year or so i have know him.Its a common trait for Pros to avoid each other an play against the weaker players. Anyway the only time we have had a bit of a mind games hand was during the £2500 main event buy in at the gukpt grand final where he owned me so i had pointed out i was upset about this hand and it caused me not to play poker for 5 weeks! It was that tilting as im a bit of a calling station at times (ask James Keys ) an that time i managed to hereo fold KK obv was a bad misread!

Sorry for the dribble but honest analysis much needed !
9 handed i raise utg+3 to £15 with an get called by sb (villian) an the bb. The flop came   an after they both checked i bet £35 an the villian check raised to £110 with the bb passing. Forgot to mention the villain has become a good friend on poker circuit recently an is a fellow bubble so that leveled me to begin with! Thoughts on next move from here after floping top 2?

[Skgv]

forgot to mention both playing £3000 + stacks

[mulhuzz]

small 3bet, lead turn, lead river.

[pleno1]

small 3bet, lead turn, lead river.

were in position. Villain is sb and we opened from position

also think that if we were oop theres alot of rivers and even turns where i dnt think it would be good to lead.

Were 600 bbs deep so im not sure on best action here, if we 3bet and he 4bets t males life very horrible and 3b folding this hand on this board would feel yucky. I doubt he ever wants to get this much in though but think he continues with all his nfd and combo draws, however if he has 666 he shouldnt be fistpumping getting it in.

Guess im a nit..

Again i dont think balance is important at all here so although you pro ably shoudl 3b bluff this board alot because of stack sizes i dnt think we necessarily need a wide value range if a value range at all.

I think i just play the streets and flick a call in with intention of betting turn if checked too but not overcommiting.

[Skgv]

small 3bet, lead turn, lead river.

were in position. Villain is sb and we opened from position

also think that if we were oop theres alot of rivers and even turns where i dnt think it would be good to lead.

Were 600 bbs deep so im not sure on best action here, if we 3bet and he 4bets t males life very horrible and 3b folding this hand on this board would feel yucky. I doubt he ever wants to get this much in though but think he continues with all his nfd and combo draws, however if he has 666 he shouldnt be fistpumping getting it in.

Guess im a nit..

Again i dont think balance is important at all here so although you pro ably shoudl 3b bluff this board alot because of stack sizes i dnt think we necessarily need a wide value range if a value range at all.

I think i just play the streets and flick a call in with intention of betting turn if checked too but not overcommiting.

like this reply alot as i was sort of on smae wave length at this point.Villian is solid skilled winning player an his range of calling my pre flop range would of been down  2 pocket pairs, any suited ace any suited king e.t.c so he could easily have a set of 666 as i ruled out kkk or 888!

For some reason my read didnt put him on much an must tell you i have been misreading people alot since i started playing again! My thought process was if he was making a move he would probaly just give up if i showed any agression an decided to re raise him on flop but then if he was drawing to the flush i should make him pay or perhaps he would put me on resteal an defend witk kq or k j possibly?

[GreekStein]

but most new i was fairly capable player

level?

[Skgv]

but most new i was fairly capable player

level?

constructive advice turk bastartd!

[GreekStein]

but most new i was fairly capable player

level?

constructive advice turk bastartd!

says the pigeon who can't even speak proper greek. Heard your mandarin is real good tho.

xxx

[Skgv]

Would most players re raise in this spot with the info ive given or just smooth call in postion? Opinions an why they would do that please?

[skolsuper]

Smooth call, for the reasons you've given.

For some reason my read didnt put him on much an must tell you i have been misreading people alot since i started playing again! My thought process was if he was making a move he would probaly just give up if i showed any agression an decided to re raise him on flop but then if he was drawing to the flush i should make him pay or perhaps he would put me on resteal an defend witk kq or k j possibly?

[mondatoo]

If you've been playing together for a year and spent that whole time avoiding each other than I'm always just calling here and proceeding with caution.

[Royal Flush]

Is the question which hand to put our call in with? Anything else here would be very bad.

[Skgv]

If you've been playing together for a year and spent that whole time avoiding each other than I'm always just calling here and proceeding with caution.

Avoiding the wrong word, just coincedence havnt tangled as when playing dont others have targets of which players are easier to extract chips from.

[Skgv]

Anyway after deliberating for 30 secs or so i wasnt really bothered about getting it in on flop or not as in my mind i wasnt passing an ive put 600 blinds + with worse than 2 pair many times before! Just felt he wouldnt call a re raise so i elected to Call hoping my read was right an hope he would barrell turn an then decide.
Turn card was  with the board reading 
Wasnt overly concerned with that card unless he had k j i guess but that didnt really enter my head i still had him on air ? He now leads out really big on turn which confused me an he bet £250 into a pot of £255 as in general nowadays no one makes these sort of bets till the river.
Thoughts on my best play here on the turn to extract value from my hand?

[SuuPRlim]

Is the question which hand to put our call in with? Anything else here would be very bad.

+1

3betting the flop would be a complete disaster. Folding a bit too nitty, only leaves a call and a plan to proceed somewhat cautiously in the face of multi-street aggression (in essence we are going to be bluff catching and if he bets turn/river on non club cards I'd strongly consider folding unless you genuinely give him credit for going off for 1200/1500 with a flush draw here, which a lot of people just odnt do)

If you get 600 bigs in on this flop the bottom of your range should be 88 imo.

I'd strongly consider folding the turn - he doesn't c/r the flop with KJ imo so his range still is Xc 88 or 66, maybe also. true there is more flush draw combo's but he doesnt ALWAYS play his draws aggro liek this but he always plays his sets like this (spose there is a small chance he has 86 as well but meh)

one thing though, if we call and the river is a club and he checks I think it's a spot we really need to consider bluffing