An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

[david3103]

John

thanks for your support of the  hand on Saturday

I'm pretty sure his calling the 3bet with AJo was poor, and he's beating very little that should be in my range when I shove so maybe the rivered seven was justice.

Poker karma got me back though with the KKvAA hand


Looking forward to seeing your homework being publicly dissected over the next few days :-)

[jgcblack]

John

thanks for your support of the  hand on Saturday

I'm pretty sure his calling the 3bet with AJo was poor, and he's beating very little that should be in my range when I shove so maybe the rivered seven was justice.

Poker karma got me back though with the KKvAA hand


Looking forward to seeing your homework being publicly dissected over the next few days :-)

No problem sir.. I was very impressed.  As I have been with all of your play I've been able to see over the multiple final tables you've made in recent times.

You are one of a few people who have very much suprised me (no offence intended) and I hope its helped hammer home in my head to not 'judge a book by its cover'.


Strange to think how many things I've been told by people in my life (often older but not always) are very true and that had I listened a long time ago..... well well well I could be quite a different person........
(sucks and to some of you seems so simple and easy, almost like I'm 'unable' to listen sometimes - one of my many flaws)



Going to hunt my HEM database now its updated from the laptop i had with me and find the hands we bust the roll with.

Guesses before I do so
- we have more QQ/KK vs AA aipf hands than we do other way round..
- the biggest pots were vs big fish... i need to look at how to play them in future because ive often just gone "he's a fish, I won't fold X strength hand to him.... ever."
- there are at least 2 hands where I got myself into a trouble spot and didn't let go of my ego (this is MUCH lessened than in the past, but not eradicated yet)


gl us.

[jgcblack]

Right..

I've updated and uploaded all the hands from Geneva to my 'cloud database' that my PC and laptop share.

Filtered for date range of 13-24/08/2012
Biggest losing pots - top 20

1
http://wt.ag/OLYVFV

2
http://wt.ag/OLZ2RL

3
http://wt.ag/OLZ2RF

4
http://wt.ag/OLZ1NB

5
http://wt.ag/OLZ5gd

6
http://wt.ag/OLZ6kx

7
http://wt.ag/OLZ786

8
http://wt.ag/OLZG1E

9
http://wt.ag/OLZEqD

10
http://wt.ag/OLZJKT

11
http://wt.ag/OLZU8M

12
http://wt.ag/OLZWOa

13
http://wt.ag/OLZXSb

14
http://wt.ag/OM01Bq

15
http://wt.ag/OM02oP

16
http://wt.ag/OM014j

17
http://wt.ag/OM0e7L

18
http://wt.ag/OM0mEa

19
http://wt.ag/OM0ofl

20
http://wt.ag/OM0seR



Instead of my usual thing of explaining each one saying 'theres a sick dynamic'

I'll just let you all judge them.


There are a few hands vs big fish and that's why they were played the way they were, but the crux of it is these are the 20 biggest hands i lost.  These aren't the hands I won, some of which were played well and some poorly.  Overall I officially 'ran good' for $65.  (please take this comment with the pinch of salt it deserves, 'ran good' means in all in pots, in some I've already gotten 'unlucky' before we get it in)

I played 23.7/19.5/5.2/28.1     /48.5      /2.65/36                      
            VPIP/PFR/3bt/WTSD%/W$SD%/Agg/Agg%

over this sample, which is a really solid set of stats over 15k hands showing my tendancies are on the way they need to be.  I've improved a lot over the stake so far and despite being around $1200 in (considering I've 'won' £400 ish in %'s for Pat which got put back into me) I really am confident and happy with my play as a 'thing'.

Just individual hands or sessions that weren't played optimally that wind me up.  I 'could' say that I was winning with music but lost with TV and blame it on that, I'm not 100% sure but I will be going back to music to see how that affects my results.

I've since played a little on stars on my own money I had in there and took a while to get used to the flow of zoom, but I do play pretty snug.  Much easier to not play a bad/weak hand oop or even IP sometimes when you can just fold and get another.  Winning so far playing this tighter style..... hmmmmm maybe there's something in that?!


Other than this, I'm off to get food but will be about all night and willing to answer any Q's about my thoughts/ play in the hands above.  Hopefully I can remember any session relevant things that might have influenced my decisions.

[pleno1]

On it tomorrow x

[jgcblack]

I am sorry for not dropping back down to 10nl when I should (and have in the past), I guess I felt like poker 'owed me' some $$ @ 25nl and that because of the greater % of fish/100 i thought I could get some winning done.

I am committed to grinding out of the makeup and making money @ poker... I enjoy the grind even though its tough sometimes.

[paulhouk03]

Have u only ever grinded cash?
Would u consider grinding mtt or sng (180) or something similar

[jgcblack]

Have u only ever grinded cash?
Would u consider grinding mtt or sng (180) or something similar

yeah, I've only grinded cash.

Chris Poulton told me that to win @ poker you need to 'learn' how to play a hand, and how to play a table/ player... and that you cannot learn that playing mtt's.

You can learn to play situations when you play mtt's but not poker.  I agree that learning to play with 100bb's first is better poker and that you can adjust and play situations based on ranges/ needs because of a different bb size (i.e. tournament poker).

I've always been a winner in the live tournament poker I've played, mainly because I'm on the more aggressive side of player and that works in the majority of live scenes.  As I said way back in my first post, cash has always been my daemon.

I was glad Pat wanted to get a cash deal on, I would be prepared to grind mtt's/ sng's but would prefer to get to a winning cash level like 50nl first. 

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.  But that grinding mtt's presents him with a better chance of binking big.  Whereas I want to get to where Pat is in his skill and ability to beat 600nl and win serious $$ without having to commit to a whole night/ day of grinding and have the choice to turn off if you feel like it.  + I like a few others reckon some of the biggest moneys to earn are from decent big live cash games... obv binking an EPT would be good for the bank but its not exactly easy is it....
#unlessyourgoulderinitaly

[TL900]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

[jgcblack]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

It would probably be something like the following..

play 50k hands of 50nl on party poker
play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only
win at least 1bb/100

can't think of anything else right now...




currently catching up on Jordie Shore while using my new birthday present poker player anti-fat device...
http://reviews.asda.com/1440-en_gb/000913287/trim-bike-reviews/reviews.htm


Jordie Shore is amazing in the more horrendous ways... not sure if im alone here but I just can't believe people are like this?!

[TL900]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only

why do i have to play certain stats? that doesnt make sense.. Also in theory the more tables i play the more edge you have, so that shouldnt be one either.

[jgcblack]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only

why do i have to play certain stats? that doesnt make sense.. Also in theory the more tables i play the more edge you have, so that shouldnt be one either.

even i could multitable 10 tables playing nothing but 10/10/2 and win ... its not hard, its not playing streets and playing poker.  That's just being a super nit and waiting for people to spazz.

that's not 'poker' in my mind.  It's just waiting for coolers and being on the +ve side more than the others because ur a nit.  I don't consider that skillful poker.

[TL900]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only

why do i have to play certain stats? that doesnt make sense.. Also in theory the more tables i play the more edge you have, so that shouldnt be one either.

even i could multitable 10 tables playing nothing but 10/10/2 and win ... its not hard, its not playing streets and playing poker.  That's just being a super nit and waiting for people to spazz.

that's not 'poker' in my mind.  It's just waiting for coolers and being on the +ve side more than the others because ur a nit.  I don't consider that skillful poker.

lol, winning poker > 'skillful' + losing poker

Ill play however you want though.

[jgcblack]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only

why do i have to play certain stats? that doesnt make sense.. Also in theory the more tables i play the more edge you have, so that shouldnt be one either.

even i could multitable 10 tables playing nothing but 10/10/2 and win ... its not hard, its not playing streets and playing poker.  That's just being a super nit and waiting for people to spazz.

that's not 'poker' in my mind.  It's just waiting for coolers and being on the +ve side more than the others because ur a nit.  I don't consider that skillful poker.

lol, winning poker > 'skillful' + losing poker

Ill play however you want though.

i know it seems lol but what do you think it takes to win @ each level?

10nl -

25nl -

50nl -

100nl -

200nl -

400nl -

600nl -

1knl -


interesting point really... those that play any of the levels above please put your ideas/ thoughts/ impressions of what you think a player would need at each level to beat it?

[stato_1]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only

why do i have to play certain stats? that doesnt make sense.. Also in theory the more tables i play the more edge you have, so that shouldnt be one either.

even i could multitable 10 tables playing nothing but 10/10/2 and win ... its not hard, its not playing streets and playing poker.  That's just being a super nit and waiting for people to spazz.

that's not 'poker' in my mind.  It's just waiting for coolers and being on the +ve side more than the others because ur a nit.  I don't consider that skillful poker.

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[Pugwashed]

I actually had a discussion when drunk with TL900 recently where he reckoned that because of the amount of poker he's played he think's he could insta-win at 50nl if he played it.

as i said to you then, name your stipulations and make it worthwhile for me and you got a wager

It would probably be something like the following..

play 50k hands of 50nl on party poker
play a minimum of 18/16/6 on 4-6 tables only
win at least 1bb/100

can't think of anything else right now...

Can I bet on Tom's in this? It's true about a lot of very successful sng/mtt regs not actually being very "good" at poker because everything they treat so much of what they do as simply looking for the best play in a vacuum and balance seems to move to the bottom of their list of considerations when playing. The fact is tho, there are so many fish at 50nl and most of the regs suck that you don't have to be that good to beat those games. I went straight from mtts to 100nl and was winning there straight away (/mini brag). Make the bet to beat 100nl and I think it would be a lot closer