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[Acidmouse]

Thin is an understatement.

 Is anyone else coming round to the idea that Betfair is completely gone at the game. The customer service, the Premium Chrge, their attitude to customers, the fact that you can't really get bigger prices unless you don't want them and all that are obviously all things people have been cross about, but people could always forgive them everything because of liquidity.

 In non-televised sport they may as well give up.

 If I ran it I'd sack the whole market ops team on day 1. They constantly attempt to split liquidity on everything by clogging up the menus with hundreds of markets that nobody bets on.

 In the American Football games yesterday you could go under/over 46/46.5 and 47 in the same game as well as betting "overtime yes/no?" and "will it be a tied game?" They had totals, spreads and win odds for every quarter in every game and apart from the usual guys trying to lay 1.01 and back at 1000/1 (it wouldn't really be that hard to clamp down n that) I never saw a penny matched.

 I just counted 14 markets in Monday Night Football that have zero matched and nobody really trying to get matched.

 How does anyone on here get on?

betdaq

a big bet for me is £200 a usual bet is around £40-£80

in the price range i back in it is equally useless trying to get matched on betfair as it is on betdaq (6-1-33-1 usually) so have to use a lot of firms.

i use betfair as a very last resort these days, they dont give a toss i have basically stopped betting with them but if more people did rather than just bemoan them they might just might get the picture.

People are just greedy tbh, rather than swallow profit for a few months and move to betdaq, they stay on befair and whine feeding the very beast they hate so much. I equate it to the whiny shits that still go pay to watch Leeds yet complain about Bates being there.

[horseplayer]

Anyone any thoughts on the 4:50 @ Bath?

I had one in the race penned in as a future winner, and we have taken a few bets on it from new account holders I'm now more tempted than ever get involved. 

looks a pretty rancid contest

i have thrown a few £ at pelham crescent at big prices mainly because the stable has had a virus and is now back in some sort of form

[The Camel]

Jesus, if Ms Pendleton is in it, I might have to watch this tripe too.

Would have thought Louis Smith had all the attributes to win this?

Nothing new in this article Keith but it is very good nonetheless http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/09/victoria-pendleton-not-perfect-athlete

She really is a fascinating character and it is very telling how ruthless and, frankly, dislikeable a lot of the people at the top of these very successful sporting organisations are.

Fantastic article, thanks for that Stu.

I think it is very likely Van Eijden was (and probably still is) in love with Pendleton and that's why his reaction to her relationship was so severe.

I never thought anyone would ever get near the twin titans of John McEnroe and Steve Davis as my favourite ever sports stars, but I think Pendleton is pretty close to overtaking them in my affection!

She is just awesome.

[Bad Beat]

 You guys are obviously right. We need to take away the liquidity to punish them. I have moaned for too long. I am going to speak to Betdaq. In many of the markets I am a liquidity provider and a seeder of markets and Betfair do not value me at all.

 It makes me absolotely sick to see how they have allowed the whole slow pictures and people at the track thing carry on in horse racing and I can't see why people putting up trap bets and constantly flooding the system with 1000/1 and 1.01 stuff that could only be matched by a terrible missclick can't be asked to stop. They could always threaten to close their accounts.

 I really hate the cross-matching and I used to be most disgusted at the idea that Betfair are using their own bots. The fact that they now offer fixed-odds is immorral.

 The situation with their ecology is similar to the problems the online poker industry have. For years Betfair invited bots and rewarded big winners. They have now realised that the stream of fish to feed the machine is not endless. Their solution has partly been to curtail the sharks with the Premium Charge, but their real solution is to take the place of the former sharks themselves.  

[AceHighSuited]

Anyone any thoughts on the 4:50 @ Bath?

I had one in the race penned in as a future winner, and we have taken a few bets on it from new account holders I'm now more tempted than ever get involved. 

looks a pretty rancid contest

i have thrown a few £ at pelham crescent at big prices mainly because the stable has had a virus and is now back in some sort of form

Stable had a nice winner a few days back as well, I think at Brighton.

The one I liked and have seen some money for is Annelko.  I could have nicked some 9/2 this morning but left it.   

[TheChipPrince]

Jesus, if Ms Pendleton is in it, I might have to watch this tripe too.

Would have thought Louis Smith had all the attributes to win this?

Nothing new in this article Keith but it is very good nonetheless http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/09/victoria-pendleton-not-perfect-athlete

She really is a fascinating character and it is very telling how ruthless and, frankly, dislikeable a lot of the people at the top of these very successful sporting organisations are.

Fantastic article, thanks for that Stu.

I think it is very likely Van Eijden was (and probably still is) in love with Pendleton and that's why his reaction to her relationship was so severe.

I never thought anyone would ever get near the twin titans of John McEnroe and Steve Davis as my favourite ever sports stars, but I think Pendleton is pretty close to overtaking them in my affection!

She is just awesome.

Steve davis when he was awesome and disliked for being so?  or the more mellow fella today?

[doubleup]

You guys are obviously right. We need to take away the liquidity to punish them. I have moaned for too long. I am going to speak to Betdaq. In many of the markets I am a liquidity provider and a seeder of markets and Betfair do not value me at all.

 It makes me absolotely sick to see how they have allowed the whole slow pictures and people at the track thing carry on in horse racing and I can't see why people putting up trap bets and constantly flooding the system with 1000/1 and 1.01 stuff that could only be matched by a terrible missclick can't be asked to stop. They could always threaten to close their accounts.

 I really hate the cross-matching and I used to be most disgusted at the idea that Betfair are using their own bots. The fact that they now offer fixed-odds is immorral.

 The situation with their ecology is similar to the problems the online poker industry have. For years Betfair invited bots and rewarded big winners. They have now realised that the stream of fish to feed the machine is not endless. Their solution has partly been to curtail the sharks with the Premium Charge, but their real solution is to take the place of the former sharks themselves.  

I think Betdaq have very low commission for market makers.

One thing I don't understand about track players.  Didn't it used to be a crime to place a bet if you knew the result?  If so when/why was that changed? 

[Nakor]

SCD...Not even I watch this nonsense. Wouldn't have a clue what's required in a winner tbh.

Reality bets are popular on here though, with Clary going off unbacked despite 'max' recs from myself, Tighty and the Camel (insert Clary-style 'sticky date' gag). Ridic swervage.

Louis Smith is a local fen-dweller, so seen a bit of him - not the type to do well in a reality show.
I could never back Denise Van Outen at that price.
Kimberley Walsh always came across well in the interviews I've seen.
Victoria Pendleton, no, Michael Vaughan too dull.

I'm guessing this isn't the confirmed list though? Overround only comes to 82%.

Kimberley Walsh (Girls Aloud) - 6/1
Louis Smith (Olympic Gymnast) - 6/1
Nicky Byrne (Westlife) - 8/1
Dani Harmer (Tracy Beaker) - 12/1
Victoria Pendleton - 14/1
Michael Vaughan - 16/1
Richard Arnold (Daybreak) - 18/1
Lisa Riley - (ex-Emmerdale) - 25/1
Fern Britton - 33/1
Johnny Ball - 33/1
Sid Owen (Ricky from Eastenders) - 33/1
Jerry Hall - 40/1

The wife has instructed me to punt my role at Dani Harmer, apparently she has some history of dance coaching, has been awesome in training and training longer then most of the others, presents well and needs to run deep for profile/career reasons.  She discounts Kimberley as she is "not liked" by the voting demographic and it is a public vote after all but does class Pendleton as a threat as her profile will get her through the first few weeks by which time the competitive instinct might be enough to get her through to the later stages when anything can happen.
Have no idea how this stacks up against the others but the wife does have a good record at picking a winner in this or at least a runner that can be laid off later.

[The Camel]

Jesus, if Ms Pendleton is in it, I might have to watch this tripe too.

Would have thought Louis Smith had all the attributes to win this?

Nothing new in this article Keith but it is very good nonetheless http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/09/victoria-pendleton-not-perfect-athlete

She really is a fascinating character and it is very telling how ruthless and, frankly, dislikeable a lot of the people at the top of these very successful sporting organisations are.

Fantastic article, thanks for that Stu.

I think it is very likely Van Eijden was (and probably still is) in love with Pendleton and that's why his reaction to her relationship was so severe.

I never thought anyone would ever get near the twin titans of John McEnroe and Steve Davis as my favourite ever sports stars, but I think Pendleton is pretty close to overtaking them in my affection!

She is just awesome.

Steve davis when he was awesome and disliked for being so?  or the more mellow fella today?

Nearly from day 1 I was in awe of him.

He clearly didn't have as much talent as Higgins or White but he always played to the limit of his ability, never ever choked under pressure and then added hard work and ruthlessness.

I got tickets for a final at the Hexagon for some tournament when the Nugget was playing Dean Reynolds.

Davis was 8-0 up, when Reynolds finally made a decent break and looked like winning a frame. Davis was left needing 4 snookers I think. 99% of players in that spot would concede the frame. Davis played on, got the snookers and went on to win the final in a whitewash 10-0.

Sheer, and ultimate professional.

And his reaction when he lost to the tedious Dennis Taylor in the World Championship final sealed the deal.

I just love the bloke.

[rfgqqabc]

T20- Aus Vs Pakistan

2 games taken place already, scorecards as follows

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/571148.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/571149.html

Bet365 go 5/2 No 50. Pitch improved between 1st and 2nd game, but this price still seems way out of line. I'd already gone in at 15/8 with Betvictor, but had to top up seeing this price. Unbelievable. Looks fantastic value to me.

Espn cricinfo writes "Pitch and conditions
The third match to be played on the same surface means there will be greater wear and tear, and less pace for bowlers and batsmen to work with."

Get stuck in

5/2 still there, not sure how, think the big guns can't get on with 365 so thats why its available. Betfair has 0 GBP matched. Fred fancy £40?

[Bad Beat]

 It was definitely a principle of betting that "if you can't lose you can't win". Never really a law as such.

 I should probably know, but did cheating in sport with regards to betting become a criminal offence in the latest version of the gambling act?

 I recently had a problem with Betfair over a suspend (market wasn't ever supposed to be suspended but the market info was ambigious enough that two memebers of staff had to go and check. I failed to take all my prices down and a runner went from 20/1 to 7/4 after the semi final. He won the final.

 They told me I'd have to suffer the £100 at 20/1 I laid and there was no way that they could contact the other guy and cancel the bet. He may have just have fancied it they said.

 I asked them whether they thought this was what Betfair should be about (gamblers coming together to test their opinion) and I asked them whether it would be void if the guy had bet with their fixed-odds arm under the same circumstance.

 I aksed them whether they wanted me to take down all my offers (I had priced every athletics event - all runners in every one to lose £2000).

 They said this was the way they always did it in every Olympics and it was my tough shit.

 I agree - they have become complacent and they deserve the crash in the share price.

[peejaytwo]

[quoteT20- Aus Vs Pakistan

2 games taken place already, scorecards as follows

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/571148.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/571149.html

Bet365 go 5/2 No 50. Pitch improved between 1st and 2nd game, but this price still seems way out of line. I'd already gone in at 15/8 with Betvictor, but had to top up seeing this price. Unbelievable. Looks fantastic value to me.

Espn cricinfo writes "Pitch and conditions
The third match to be played on the same surface means there will be greater wear and tear, and less pace for bowlers and batsmen to work with."

Get stuck in
][/quote]

A good example of a useless betfair market!
I leave £99 there to bet "no fifty" at 3.3 hoping someone with a workable b365 account will oblige and pick up the pint that I've put on the table.
30 mins later all that's happened is someone has undercut me wanting to back at 3.0!
Free money out there if you want to pick it up

[Bad Beat]

 Would it upset you more to find that Betfair have software that has detected you are winning at cricket Peejay and it is automatically undercutting you for them?

 They want to win every penny.

[AceHighSuited]

Annelko drifted like a barge.

[The Camel]

Would it upset you more to find that Betfair have software that has detected you are winning at cricket Peejay and it is automatically undercutting you for them?

 They want to win every penny.

Hmmm. If this is true, it is very easily exploitable.

Just find something obscure, put an offer up to lay the side you want to be with and wait for the bot to put a bigger price up and snap it up.

Too simple?