Tips for Tikay

[arbboy]

More like two bets in 5mins on a side market causes alarm bells and flashing lights.

Not sure I subscribe to the idea traders sat here watching our every move. I know one of the Coral guys in the spotlight and he has never heard of TFT.

Is correct.

Traders do NOT monitor Fred, or any other tipping thread or site. It would make no sense for a whole plethora of reasons.  

Are you taking drugs after your health scare last month Mr Kendall?

Unless you are trolling subtly and completely whooshed me, I have never seen you speak such nonsense.

Of course traders subscribe and follow tipsters and tipping sites.

On their own account, yes, of course, traders enjoy a bet just as you & I do.

On behalf of their Firm - 365, PP or whoever? - no, absolutely not.

PS - Yup, am deffo taking drugs these days Mr H, but I'm still reasonably compos mentis.  
 

Well, the two bookmakers I have/had a connection with both had a budget to spend on tipsters.

Subscribed to Steve Hamilton-Lewis, Alan Potts, Winning Line, Tony Ansell and Isiris.

Plus more I've forgotten about.

I'm absolutely certain virtually all, (if not all) racerooms subscribe to tipsters.

And many will read TfT.

What on earth makes you think they wouldn't?

Can confirm exactly the same when i was in the game that side of the counter with the firms i worked for.  All of the above and many more paid for.

[exstream]

Maybe the ones Tony knows dont bother ( next door for example )

Plenty do , I know for certain the traders for the bald one @"The Studio " in Warrington read this thread

Makes perfect sense to know where the live money is going

Skybet probably don't, they ban anyone that remotely demonstrates they have more than one brain cell, no need to join tipping groups when you don't accept bets

[nirvana]

Plethora of reasons

Yep

[Karabiner]

Plethora of reasons

Yep

Nicely put.

[Chompy]

Reading this thread is the tip of the iceberg.

There's plenty of other shady stuff they get up to.

I'm in the process of putting something together at the moment.

[arbboy]

Maybe the ones Tony knows dont bother ( next door for example )

Plenty do , I know for certain the traders for the bald one @"The Studio " in Warrington read this thread

Makes perfect sense to know where the live money is going

Skybet probably don't, they ban anyone that remotely demonstrates they have more than one brain cell, no need to join tipping groups when you don't accept bets

Agreed.  My most incredible account closure was with skybet.  1/5 shot in one of the london 2012 games major events ante post.  USA men to win the basketball gold medal.  Hardly a mickey mouse event.    Had full limit bet of £2500 to win £500 and account instantly restricted to pennies without any other bet being struck or the event taking place.  No injury news or anything dodgy about the bet.  Price wasn't stale or anything.  There wasn't a betfair market for the event for me to be arbing either.  They were joint top on oddschecker with a couple of other firms.  Most firms were 1/6.

How on earth can you take a view that quickly on a punter backing a 1/5 poke in a huge global event like that?

[sonour]

Maybe the ones Tony knows dont bother ( next door for example )

Plenty do , I know for certain the traders for the bald one @"The Studio " in Warrington read this thread

Makes perfect sense to know where the live money is going

Skybet probably don't, they ban anyone that remotely demonstrates they have more than one brain cell, no need to join tipping groups when you don't accept bets

Agreed.  My most incredible account closure was with skybet.  1/5 shot in one of the london 2012 games major events ante post.  USA men to win the basketball gold medal.  Hardly a mickey mouse event.    Had full limit bet of £2500 to win £500 and account instantly restricted to pennies without any other bet being struck or the event taking place.  No injury news or anything dodgy about the bet.  Price wasn't stale or anything.  There wasn't a betfair market for the event for me to be arbing either.  They were joint top on oddschecker with a couple of other firms.  Most firms were 1/6.

How on earth can you take a view that quickly on a punter backing a 1/5 poke in a huge global event like that?

That's exactly the experience I've had with Skybet, time and time again.

[nirvana]

Sounds like Overourheadbigbluethingrhymeswithflyjet (can't be to careful) are shrewder than most firms - just keep the mugs on board and people like me who are shrewd but unlucky

[Marky147]

Sounds like Overourheadbigbluethingrhymeswithflyjet (can't be to careful) are shrewder than most firms - just keep the mugs on board and people like me who are shrewd but unlucky

They're not that shrewd, because I'm restricted to take out a tenner.

[muckthenuts]

Bad evening for the Burton bet. All 4 relegation rivals failed to notch a single point. Burton now 4 points away from the drop with a game in hand.

[nirvana]

Sounds like Overourheadbigbluethingrhymeswithflyjet (can't be to careful) are shrewder than most firms - just keep the mugs on board and people like me who are shrewd but unlucky

They're not that shrewd, because I'm restricted to take out a tenner.

Too self deprecating - I make you one of the shrewdest here, I follow your ante post bets blind - oi oi

[bobby1]

Back in the day with Hills the only site we subscribed to was Ansell. These days it doesn't matter because firms are 100 times better Equipt to dig out syndicates and tipping line punters. So customers get restricted in groups and noted as tipping line followers, you don't need to know which one but when 50 to 300 punters come on in a small time window betting the same things it's clear there is a connection.

The big issue with this place is it appears in the bookmakers bet slip viewers as identical to a tipping line. A selection is made with a firm, a large amount of punters bet it in a short space of time and it lights up like a beacon it's been put up by a 'tipping line' in their eyes. You don't have to subscribe to the lines really coz in this day and age as they show up quickly and they  basically just restrict the accounts as one.

A couple of weeks ago I was chatting to the gaffer at the firm I do some work for and he mentioned to me they had a proper sweat on because they had laid lots of ew singles and the ew double Bill Haas in the match play event and Luke List in the Puerto Rico event and both were on the periphery of being placed. He asked me if I had any idea who might have put those selections up. They will all get restricted for betting as as a group or following tipping lines without them actually knowing which line it was. That's basically what happens here.

As for all this ' morning mr trader from xxx' why would any firm need to spend time following forums and tipping lines when they get to know within minutes a tipper has put something up because they are laying lots of identical bets.

The problem here is also the same as tipping lines in that prices rarely last either but that is certainly down to bets and not traders scanning loads of sites a day.

[The Camel]

Back in the day with Hills the only site we subscribed to was Ansell. These days it doesn't matter because firms are 100 times better Equipt to dig out syndicates and tipping line punters. So customers get restricted in groups and noted as tipping line followers, you don't need to know which one but when 50 to 300 punters come on in a small time window betting the same things it's clear there is a connection.

The big issue with this place is it appears in the bookmakers bet slip viewers as identical to a tipping line. A selection is made with a firm, a large amount of punters bet it in a short space of time and it lights up like a beacon it's been put up by a 'tipping line' in their eyes. You don't have to subscribe to the lines really coz in this day and age as they show up quickly and they  basically just restrict the accounts as one.

A couple of weeks ago I was chatting to the gaffer at the firm I do some work for and he mentioned to me they had a proper sweat on because they had laid lots of ew singles and the ew double Bill Haas in the match play event and Luke List in the Puerto Rico event and both were on the periphery of being placed. He asked me if I had any idea who might have put those selections up. They will all get restricted for betting as as a group or following tipping lines without them actually knowing which line it was. That's basically what happens here.

As for all this ' morning mr trader from xxx' why would any firm need to spend time following forums and tipping lines when they get to know within minutes a tipper has put something up because they are laying lots of identical bets.

The problem here is also the same as tipping lines in that prices rarely last either but that is certainly down to bets and not traders scanning loads of sites a day.

At a guess, how many people would bet a selection put up by Chompy or Arbboy on here?

Just seems more likely to me that one trader has seen it, than enough punters have backed it to cause alarm bells to be ringing.

[bobby1]

I'm not really sure Keith but once you have restricted the accounts as connected to xyz or tipping liner then the traders are fully expecting the other followers to come on and bet too. So the prices get shortened after the first few bets are laid. It's not down to what would have to be the sheer fluke of the trader for that firm just happening to be reading/logged in to the tipping line that's put it up minutes before.

[DropTheHammer]

365 have pushed out Palace to 5.25, wonder what they've heard?