A simple question

[kinboshi]

I just don't get the point of forcing someone to add up the pot themselves, is it so you can feel superior?

no it's because lots of people cant add + make mistakes + dem rules + speed of gameplay.

If you can ask for the pot on one hand, you'd be able to ask every hand, or even on every street. 

[Jon MW]

I just don't get the point of forcing someone to add up the pot themselves, is it so you can feel superior?

no it's because lots of people cant add + make mistakes + dem rules + speed of gameplay.

If you can ask for the pot on one hand, you'd be able to ask every hand, or even on every street. 

yes - but people won't. Unless they want to deliberately be annoying - and if that's their intention they'll just be currently doing it in a different way.

Because it's the rules is irrelevant - rules can be changed if they're not good rules
To speed up the game is irrelevant because it takes longer for the players that ask to work it out themselves than if the dealer just told them.

Because people can't add up and might make a mistake is a fairly reasonable argument - but like with the string bet rule - how often is that going to apply? How much of a mistake are people going to make because they think there's 120k in the pot when actually there's only 100k for example?

[doubleup]

I just don't get the point of forcing someone to add up the pot themselves, is it so you can feel superior?

It is completely and utterly irrelevant to the business of running a NL game.   

[ManuelsMum]

Simples.

[scottbrown]

No, players should not be told what the pot is. And no, they should not be allowed to bet the pot.

If they want to know how much is in there then they should pay attention.

Obviously online it displays it because it pretty much doesn't have any choice.

But in the live game it is a players responsibility to follow the action and keep a running total (roughly) in their head.

And I agree that the string betting rule needs sorting out. So so so badly missapplied in every tournament I've played in. Throw in some chips where one happens to hit the felt half a second before the rest? OMG. STRING BET. DEALER. STRING BET. GET THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR. STRING BET. So so tilting.

When I see that happen I use my better judgement. Like if the blinds are 300/600 someone places 1600 in their hand and moves the hand over the line and that little 100 chip drops out, I won't call string bet because I have just sat and watched them and I know the intent. There are so many factors to take into account. Like if the chips are sticky, if someone has a bad grip. If i see a forward motion from the player, im not going to be a dick and call a string bet when it blatantly wasn't one.

Now i've posted this  i may have to re-think my standing on it or hope players don't use this little snippet of info to their advantage :p

[WarBwastard]

I don't think players ask how much is in the pot often enough for it to be such a big deal.  Even knowing the pot size doesn't necessarily mean you'll size your bet properly.  I've often seen dealers stacking the chips rather than lumping them in a pile which makes the pots much easier to count. Easier to count, and when you win a big pot they're easier to incorporate back into your stack than having to re-stack a big pile.

[gatso]

I don't think players ask how much is in the pot often enough for it to be such a big deal.

maybe that's because they know they won't be told. I would never ask a dealer the pot size but if rules were changed so they had to tell me then I would ask them everytime if I hadn't been paying attention

[scottbrown]

Thats the thing, your playing no limit holdem .....

Your speech would determine the action.

So,

If you said "I would like to bet/raise pot" the dealer would explain you are playing no limit so he/she can not tell you the pot, but since you said bet/raise you have to make an aggressive action, weather thats by your count of the pot or what you like.

If you ask for the count of the pot you would just get the explanation of pot limit and the pot spread.

No dealer should be stacking the pot. Ever. Its fine to stack and pass once the hand is over or if there is an all in being counted but that is it. 

[Sulphur man]

Player "Pot" Dealer "FFS"

[Sulphur man]

Player "I put him all in" Dealer "Jesus FFS"

[Junior Senior]

In live No limit Hold'em, should a player

a) be told what the pot size is by the dealer if asked

b) be able to "bet the pot"

This just happened on my table in the super 50...... No, it wasnt me!
It was annoying and shouldnt be allowed, i have changed my view.
Dealer dealt with it well for the record.

[MintTrav]

Hate it when the dealer spreads the chips so someone who is involved in a hand, but hasn't been paying attention, can start counting the pot. I would outlaw that as well.

[scottbrown]

Hate it when the dealer spreads the chips so someone who is involved in a hand, but hasn't been paying attention, can start counting the pot. I would outlaw that as well.

Thats also down to if some is pretty bad at maths or honestly lost count. Easily done.