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[cambridgealex]

Agree with Dave, this whole issue is continually brought up on blonde and it's really annoying. People basically calling people like Tom racist for making what are actually intelligent and valid assumptions.

In fact, not many these assumptions is plain bad and will harm your chances of making the right plays.

[bobby1]

Agree with Dave, this whole issue is continually brought up on blonde and it's really annoying. People basically calling people like Tom racist for making what are actually intelligent and valid assumptions.

In fact, not many these assumptions is plain bad and will harm your chances of making the right plays.

lol, thats a bit strong fella, racist is a pretty nasty word, which nobody has actually used.

[cambridgealex]

Agree with Dave, this whole issue is continually brought up on blonde and it's really annoying. People basically calling people like Tom racist for making what are actually intelligent and valid assumptions.

In fact, not many these assumptions is plain bad and will harm your chances of making the right plays.

lol, thats a bit strong fella, racist is a pretty nasty word, which nobody has actually used.

You haven't used it but it's implied. You said he had was making jingoistic/ xenophobic/ stereotypical observations. Racist a bit strong, fair enough, but those things are offensive and as I said, completely valid and useful assumptions to be using.

[bobby1]

Agree with Dave, this whole issue is continually brought up on blonde and it's really annoying. People basically calling people like Tom racist for making what are actually intelligent and valid assumptions.

In fact, not many these assumptions is plain bad and will harm your chances of making the right plays.

lol, thats a bit strong fella, racist is a pretty nasty word, which nobody has actually used.

You haven't used it but it's implied. You said he had was making jingoistic/ xenophobic/ stereotypical observations. Racist a bit strong, fair enough, but those things are offensive and as I said, completely valid and useful assumptions to be using.

Once again, I have not used racist nor implied it. The point is it is daft to base ALL your assumptions on the fact people are Spanish, wear a jumper, wear huge expensive earphones etc. This thread just happened to contain an example where the assumptions are based by the country you are playing in.

If the example had said, they guy was old with a jumper and a couldn't do chip tricks then I would have made similar points. It just happened to be about Spanish players this time.

Having assumptions before you start playing cannot be better than actual seeing how the game is playing once you are in it, no matter what the stereotype is, not all the stereotypes are about race are they. If the table had been described as 'full of old gimmers that looked like rocks' and I had questioned making assumptions like that would you have  complained I was calling the OP ageist?

[cambridgealex]

No, but Tom hasn't presented us with any further information, so I'd assume that the only thing he had to go on was that this guy was Spanish.

Of course, if the guy plays a hand of note, then we adjust our assumptions accordingly.

Like Dave says, it's smart to go on stereotypes, but it's dumb to not adjust them when given further insight.

[rbc_mike]

Like Dave says, it's smart to go on stereotypes, but it's dumb to not adjust them when given further insight.

Very much this.

Surely if we have no information, it's a good start to work from a stereotype unless we have reason to deviate from it.  You're telling me that you wouldn't see a guy over 60 and not automatically assume he's tighter than a 20 year old wearing a hoody?
Stereotypes are based on some element of truth, as long as we can appropriately adjust on the basis of new information, this has to be better than making no assumptions at all.

[bobby1]

I agree with the summary on both those posts but if the OP is using' I have tptk in Spain' then it sure reads like any info that could have bean gleaned on the previous 2 nights/previous hands is still clouded by this. Each individual spot on the table will have had various nuances to it, as with most tables. If you go in thinking they will all be the same because (?) then you are less likely to compute the extra info you glean from playing the table in the heat of battle.

I spend a lot of time making assumptions pre event in a lot of markets, I am at my best when I am bang in the middle of the event tho as more and more info becomes available. If I stick too rigidly to my pre event assumptions then I will miss too much good info that helps me.

[WotRTheChances]

I agree with the summary on both those posts but if the OP is using' I have tptk in Spain' then it sure reads like any info that could have bean gleaned on the previous 2 nights/previous hands is still clouded by this. Each individual spot on the table will have had various nuances to it, as with most tables. If you go in thinking they will all be the same because (?) then you are less likely to compute the extra info you glean from playing the table in the heat of battle.

I spend a lot of time making assumptions pre event in a lot of markets, I am at my best when I am bang in the middle of the event tho as more and more info becomes available. If I stick too rigidly to my pre event assumptions then I will miss too much good info that helps me.

Seems like you are making an assumption that because I have noted that the fact that I am in Spain will affect the general tendencies of the player pool, that have somehow over-stereotyped or am unable to alter my perceptions based upon my experiences in the games here. This seems a lot more malicious than just saying 'we're in Spain, the games are probably going to be a bit spewy and thus the value of premium hands/ hands like tptk will go up, which is a legitimate and valid point.

As for other stereotypes, such as the 'old man' stereotype, these are also perfectly legitimate and provide a generally surprisingly accurate starting point (else where would these stereotypes be formed). To ignore these is ridiculous.

[bobby1]

Ok, After having 'non constructive' and 'malicious' directed my way I will leave you to it.

[rbc_mike]

Think we all agree, stereotypes are initially useful, but we need to be able to change assumptions on the basis of new information.  Obviously, if these assumptions are initially wrong, we may not make the most optimal decisions, and the speed at which we adjust will determine the profitability of future decisions.

bobby1, don't get offended, we are nice people on blonde (honest!) you've made valid points, but Tom is clearly bright enough to not just think because he's in Spain, he's gonna stack off with tptk.  This is an obvious simplification of hand when the op has shown clear thought processes.

So in conclusion, no-one is racist, don't be offended, and ul that aT wasn't the best hand.

[smashedagain]

Lol at mike with a bowl amount of posts telling founder member bobby that we are nice people on blonde.

I assume everyone is a fish until proved otherwise. Tom does not have a bad bone in his body either but I like a lot of what bobby is saying too

[SuuPRlim]

Ok, After having 'non constructive' and 'malicious' directed my way I will leave you to it.

Really hope any of my posts didn't come across as rude defo wasnt meant to be like that, I agree with near on 100% of what you've said I just don't think any of it was actually applicable here.

I get really tilted as well by all the arrogance and ego around "this french idiot" this and "spanish donk" that, but there really was nothing Tom said to support that on this occasion.

[rbc_mike]

Lol at mike with a bowl amount of posts telling founder member bobby that we are nice people on blonde.

I assume everyone is a fish until proved otherwise. Tom does not have a bad bone in his body either but I like a lot of what bobby is saying too

haha yeh i realised this after I wrote it, Im somewhat of a dtd reg during uni term time, bloody studies getting in the way of gambling!

[pleno1]

god blonde is so boring at times. I think not making observations like spanish = terrible until proven otherwise,  women = nit until proven otherwise and young kid in hoody = possibly aggro until proven otherwise means you are very very very likely not to be a good poker player.

On this trip people have laughed alot at me about things ive mentioned in hand historys, but all the stuff is super relevant and you really need to take a huge consideration into every single tiny factor.

The ironic thing is that all the people who make the ridiculos rejection of stereotypes are all alot older than the guys who do, and they are the one who have played alot more live poker for alot longer meaning they should have experienced it first hand

[WotRTheChances]

god blonde is so boring at times. I think not making observations like spanish = terrible until proven otherwise,  women = nit until proven otherwise and young kid in hoody = possibly aggro until proven otherwise means you are very very very likely not to be a good poker player.

On this trip people have laughed alot at me about things ive mentioned in hand historys, but all the stuff is super relevant and you really need to take a huge consideration into every single tiny factor.

The ironic thing is that all the people who make the ridiculos rejection of stereotypes are all alot older than the guys who do, and they are the one who have played alot more live poker for alot longer meaning they should have experienced it first hand

Just a big plus one