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« on: May 05, 2012, 04:22:07 PM »

PokerStars Hand #79949557974: Tournament #552672234, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/05/05 11:13:50 ET
Table '552672234 16' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: floppinhel (2925 in chips)
Seat 2: richlynx (2840 in chips)
Seat 3: Gembaa (1905 in chips)
Seat 4: Bormysh (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (3268 in chips)
Seat 6: mikeiq888 (4075 in chips)
Seat 7: nandor82 (7449 in chips)
Seat 8: flopped6810 (2546 in chips)
Seat 9: luuk1980 (2457 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind 25
mikeiq888: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [ ]
nandor82: folds
flopped6810: folds
luuk1980: folds
floppinhel: folds
richlynx: folds
Gembaa: folds
Bormysh: folds
HERO: raises 85 to 135
mikeiq888: calls 85
*** FLOP *** [ two hearts]
HERO: bets 167
mikeiq888: raises 167 to 334
HERO: calls 167
*** TURN *** [ two hearts] []
HERO: checks
mikeiq888: bets 550
HERO: raises 2249 to 2799 and is all-in
mikeiq888: folds


Thought process was he can have alot of draws that won't call off to an all in, reli hard for him to have a legitimate value hand, thought this would work a good enough % of the time. otf when I call on the flop and c-r all in on the turn I think my hands looks pretty strong, like Txhh, sets, t7, could even take this line with qq+.

flame away Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2012, 05:40:57 PM »

Doesn't look OK no!

edit: in fact it looks like awful awful no equity complete and utter spew!
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 05:43:06 PM »

PokerStars Hand #79949557974: Tournament #552672234, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/05/05 11:13:50 ET
Table '552672234 16' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: floppinhel (2925 in chips)
Seat 2: richlynx (2840 in chips)
Seat 3: Gembaa (1905 in chips)
Seat 4: Bormysh (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: John Black (3268 in chips)
Seat 6: mikeiq888 (4075 in chips)
Seat 7: nandor82 (7449 in chips)
Seat 8: flopped6810 (2546 in chips)
Seat 9: luuk1980 (2457 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind 25
mikeiq888: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to John Black [ ]
nandor82: folds
flopped6810: folds
luuk1980: folds
floppinhel: folds
richlynx: folds
Gembaa: folds
Bormysh: folds
John Black : raises 85 to 135
mikeiq888: calls 85
*** FLOP *** [ two hearts]
John Black : bets 167
mikeiq888: raises 167 to 334
John Black : calls 167
*** TURN *** [ two hearts] []
John Black : checks
mikeiq888: bets 550
John Black : raises 2249 to 2799 and is all-in
mikeiq888: folds


fyp surely?
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 05:44:45 PM »

fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 05:52:44 PM »

Doesn't look OK no!

edit: in fact it looks like awful awful no equity complete and utter spew!

on reflection, does seem rather spewy. lesson learned 
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 06:54:56 PM »

fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual

You may want to reword this bit slightly.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 06:59:03 PM »

fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual

You may want to reword this bit slightly.

sigh this whole thread is just a fail haha.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2012, 08:13:41 PM »

We all get carried away and spew from time to time. A good starting point in the never-ending journey of cutting spew out of your game is to decide NEVER to make this type of play unless you have at least some equity. Zero equity bluffs are the most costly of all when you get them wrong, since you get no 'discount' on your bluff. The maths is extremely unforgiving when you have no outs, and is actually surprisingly forgiving if you have even a slither of equity. For example, if you had as little as a nutshot here then this would still be spewy and unnecessary, but it would be nowhere near as terrible.
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2012, 08:43:38 PM »

pre is a fold too obv
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2012, 08:47:03 PM »

pre is a fold too obv

what's the worst hand you're opening bob in this spot?

felt pretty embarrassed with this hand after I posted it tbh, but I think it's good to admit to spew, otherwise we'll never learn eh.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2012, 08:54:11 PM »

I spew all the time.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2012, 08:59:51 PM »

I spew all the time.
You win comps a lot too tho Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2012, 11:43:03 PM »

pre is a fold too obv

what's the worst hand you're opening bob in this spot?

felt pretty embarrassed with this hand after I posted it tbh, but I think it's good to admit to spew, otherwise we'll never learn eh.

How was he adjusting or more likely reacting to your spew. Remember you're still vv early in the comp. you most likely weren't pounding him, I also assume you were only playing one table, Amirite? Online is vvv hard to play 1table, live you can stare at the dealers tits, talk to someone about football etc and whilst you can ofc browse the Internet it's still extremely hard to play 1 table and not level yourself or get tied to a hand which I assume happened here.

I would open Q10s+ j9s+ k9s+ 22+  j10o+ 89s some other suited connectors and then a10+.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2012, 10:14:30 AM »

A good starting point in the never-ending journey of cutting spew out of your game is to decide NEVER to make this type of play unless you have at least some equity.

Seriously write this down on a post-it note and stick it on the front of your computer.

You can be in a terrific spot to bluff, but still turn it down because you have no equity when called. When attempting thesee types of plays, look for a) FOLD EQUITY, b) EQUITY WHEN CALLED. A decent bit of a) and a lil bit of b) and you're good to go.

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2012, 10:50:28 AM »

Good advice on offer here. If you bet your whole stack with no hand no draw at 25/50 something is rotten in Denmark.
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