$2k scoop spot

[SuuPRlim]

Saying 1 thing is stupid /end discussion is a great example of exactly HOW NOT to improve at poker, even stuff you think is awful or even really stnd, those are the things you wanna look at and explore their merits as THAT is how you improve. You might be completely right that flatting AJ here is wrong, but by cementing that in your head as the gospel way to play is certainly a very bad idea.

Also

It probably would have been more of a better idea to flat with 69 than AJ.

I can ALL-BUT PROVE mathematically this is incorrect if you give me 15mins on pokerstove. I disagree with Alex's post saying that high stake/higher level players should have more say in these threads than anyone else, but I also think everyone should be open-minded, responsive and respect everyone's experience. This will always end up in a better thread

[pleno1]

the thing is, although Dave said otherwise, people really shouldn't post in places that they don't play their selves.  Posting, asking questions is one thing, but coming in calling something a donk call and preaching is totally out of line and spoils PHA imo.

[FUN4FRASER]

I think Trigg played the hand spot on to the the turn and then was obviously baffled by the river jam...but who wouldnt be ? as its very difficult to isolate the villains range.

Would he jam the river with a flopped set ?(doubt it)..or did he just float the flop with 2 spades ? and get lucky with runner runner ?

There are a lot more % reasons to call the jam bet than lay it down...but in theses spots its either a stone cold bluff or a monster .

[pleno1]

just to clear things up.

trigg raises button, kirby 3bets sb, trigg peels

kirby bets aj3 xxs rainbow, trigg calls

kirby check calls on the 10s turn

Kirby jams the river.

[aaron1867]

Agree with you mr Suu.

But from this position (and this deep?) you just should not be flatting. You have a premium hand in late position, the SB (who could have any two and may think you have any two, both are reasonable) re-raises you. You have a premium hand and you flat, therefore you have no idea where you are. If the flop came 2 7 10, where are you then? You still have two overs, his possible bluff could have hit.

My general thoughts here is that he has QK, it's a raising hand, but also a folding when someone elses re-raises your raise.

AJ in that position? There isn't many hands beating you, but in the end he did end up beating you.

[edgascoigne]

Aaron of all the interesting parts of this hand, you have literally managed to find the only disinteresting part to focus in on and violently take issue with...

[pleno1]

what is premium?! a premium hand is a hand that is way hand of the guys range for getting it in, i.e jj+, ajo is not a premium as I showed you in the PokerStrategy.com equilab calculator.

[aaron1867]

FWIW - Trigg played the hand well after the flop.

But I shall stick to my opinion that he should have RR.  

[cambridgealex]

I didn't say only high stakes players should comment on high stakes threads, I said I think it's terrible how a microstakes player like aaron can come onto this thread and insult the thinking and plays of some of the best mtt players in the country and ruin what could've been an excellent thread.

Some sort of humility is needed surely?

A post like "I don't understand why we'd flat AJ in this spot? I personally would always fold or reraise." is obviously fine, and what PHA is about. Lots of people will read and think the same thing and read and learn from the replies to that post.

A post saying "Trigg played the hand awful, flatting AJ is ridic" should be deleted as it's rude, naive, arrogant, not to mention might hurt Triggs feelings

[SuuPRlim]

I also think everyone should be open-minded, responsive and respect everyone's experience. This will always end up in a better thread

[dakky]

Please, without wanting to be rude, I was looking forward to (observing) a high level discussion about this hand which is very interesting and is certainly not clear cut one way or the other.

Aaron, this is a 2k buy-in online tournament, and the players concerned in this hand are at a very high level of standard. No offence, but you're completely out of your depth here and the thread has turned into people explaining to you some extremely basic concepts about no limit holdem pre-flop theories that you are completely dismissing which is a) rude and b) just totally stupid.

Flatting with AJ in that position in a or $2k buyin is totally ridic.

Simplyfying it a bit If you re-re-raise with AJ then in general what hands that are worse than AJoffsuit will call? The answer is MOSTLY none, so we chase good hands out of the pot.
If your worry is you are against a better ace and an ace comes well firstly in these positions thats pretty cold, secondly there is more play in the hand to build up a picture of what hands the opponent is more likely to have and thirdly you have position which makes everything easier and better.

Of course you can 4bet and try and get him to spazz it off with the J9 (gets there) or A8 or w/e if you have some dyanimc

[pleno1]

FWIW - Trigg played the hand well after the flop.

im sure that he will be happy to hear that

[FUN4FRASER]

I didn't say only high stakes players should comment on high stakes threads, I said I think it's terrible how a microstakes player like aaron can come onto this thread and insult the thinking and plays of some of the best mtt players in the country and ruin what could've been an excellent thread.

Some sort of humility is needed surely?

A post like "I don't understand why we'd flat AJ in this spot? I personally would always fold or reraise." is obviously fine, and what PHA is about. Lots of people will read and think the same thing and read and learn from the replies to that post.

A post saying "Trigg played the hand awful, flatting AJ is ridic" should be deleted as it's rude, naive, arrogant, not to mention might hurt Triggs feelings

Turning into a comedy   

[aaron1867]

lol - I am going to leave this thread as I don't want to hurt his feelings.

Plus, I want to avoid the traffic.

[action man]

sidenote, nothing you say will hurt my feelings.

i decided to flat the 3bet as vs this player there is a very slim chance i can get close to 60bb in pre and be good. There is a good chance however he is 3betting light and will barrell a lot of flops and turns, position is huge in pots like this
and were deep enough that im more than confident of playing down the streets. There are a lot of players id 4bet/6bet or 4bet/call against but kirbynator is not one. marc, bramm, getting daize, moorman1, NoraB are players i would look to get this in vs