$2k scoop spot

[pleno1]

I have no idea what the guy has, but what I can see from this, is that you have made a donk call. All that action and you have called with AJ?

Terrible call imo.

not sure if this is a level, you realise we have 2 pair yeh?

[pleno1]

the turn went c/call so its not like it got 7bet.

[pleno1]

I am looking at the pre-flop action and he as RR a raise, then been RR again and call with AJ?

By the sounds of this Richard has folded, but what are you planning to hit with AJ and fold when you actually do hit what you want, which is top two pair?

I think this hand has been played terrible, I would be passing pre-flop to another raise.

no it goes, fold to button, we open close to atc, and an aggresive guy 3bets the big blind.

[BulldozerD]

I am looking at the pre-flop action and he as RR a raise, then been RR again and call with AJ?

I think you need to look at the OP again before calling it a donk call

[aaron1867]

Yep you're all right.

The antes have all thrown me of course. I am terrible at reading HH's.

Apologies Richard.

Although, flat calling is still bad imo.

[pleno1]

why? its important/good to give reasons when disagreeing with most people rather than jsut saying imo, what problems are we going to run into post flop, how is our hand vs his hand pre flop? equity? future reverse implied odds? how can we make position make it a profitable call, etc etc etc.

[aaron1867]

why? its important/good to give reasons when disagreeing with most people rather than jsut saying imo, what problems are we going to run into post flop, how is our hand vs his hand pre flop? equity? future reverse implied odds? how can we make position make it a profitable call, etc etc etc.

Looking at the position (correct me if I am wrong), the villain is in the SB?

SB has raised and of course can have any 2 cards and with Trigg being in late position, so could he. To flat call it in my view shows weakness. AJ is a big hand and flat calling is just the worst option in the world in my view.

Trigg has no idea where he is in the end, so just goes to show. He should be RR that raise, because he will then know exactly where he is in that hand.

My view is that the villain has got the back door straight draw and flush draw on turn and hit the draw on the river.

[Pinchop73]

And I thought I commented in threads I really shouldn't. lol

Imo 4b/c vs this oppo would be mega spew. Hand is too strong to 4b/f. 4b'ing folds out a lot of his range that's weaker than our specific holdings. As I see it flatting pre is the only option.

[action man]

why? its important/good to give reasons when disagreeing with most people rather than jsut saying imo, what problems are we going to run into post flop, how is our hand vs his hand pre flop? equity? future reverse implied odds? how can we make position make it a profitable call, etc etc etc.

Looking at the position (correct me if I am wrong), the villain is in the SB?

SB has raised and of course can have any 2 cards and with Trigg being in late position, so could he. To flat call it in my view shows weakness. AJ is a big hand and flat calling is just the worst option in the world in my view.

Trigg has no idea where he is in the end, so just goes to show. He should be RR that raise, because he will then know exactly where he is in that hand.

My view is that the villain has got the back door straight draw and flush draw on turn and hit the draw on the river.

made my day

[aaron1867]

And I thought I commented in threads I really shouldn't. lol

Imo 4b/c vs this oppo would be mega spew. Hand is too strong to 4b/f. 4b'ing folds out a lot of his range that's weaker than our specific holdings. As I see it flatting pre is the only option.

Disagree.

Look at the positions of each player, 4 bet or fold. imo.

[cambridgealex]

What is going on ITT?

Tons of deleted posts no?

Aaron, don't really understand what you're on mate?!

[pleno1]

i think folding to the 3bet is underrated and probably ok/fine fwiw.

[SuuPRlim]

And I thought I commented in threads I really shouldn't. lol

Don't be that guy Nathan (you know my views!) - Everyone should comment on every thread.

the concept of finding out where you are in hands is one that was ridiculed for ages by the aejones' of the revolution, the reason it become unfashionable is because people wised up to it, those times when you raised your top pair to see if he was at it and fold if he re-raises were being countered by people thinking "I bet he is finding out where he is" a were able to make an even more believable lie by re-raising again. THE came the time when people started to think "I bet his is just raising thinking I'm finding out where I am" and so on lol ntil the most optimal play in these situations (where you have a hand that you are PRETTY SURE is ahead of the opponent, but he COULD have abetter one) is to just call, and rather then using you betting to find out where you are, really start to analyse his and use this information to form your reads. This was pretty much hand-reading at it's basics.

Obviously you can go levels above - use your betting as a way to manipulate him, if you raise again preflop he might go all in with bluffs etc, but you need history and solid information to do that. I'm not saying that he should or shouldn't have re-re-raised preflop, but this is the reasons why the concept of raising for information in these sorts of situations has become a bit out-dated, because you give your opponent (a clever player) a perfect opportunity to deceive you further and/or to get much more value than he should have done from his very strong hands.  

[aaron1867]

I deleted my posts as I made a mistake in reading the HH.

I stand by what I said, it's either fold or raise again, definitely not call.

[SuuPRlim]

I stand by what I said, it's either fold or raise again, definitely not call.

What your reason?

not saying you're right or wrong just necessary to proceed with the debate