$2k scoop spot

[SuuPRlim]

thw way good debate works imo is you come in and say I THINK Y because of X. Tbf to Aaron, he did that. He gave his reasons why he thinks what he thinks and that is spot on imo.

Where he went slightly wrong was to defend his points so aggressively that some very good points that he contributed to making ITT were kind of lost.

I would hate to think anyone was deterred from posting in PHA threads ever + I'm sure bobby1 still wants the mug-ish punters like myself and pleno to bob along to the betting section every so often for some lols even if its just so he can lay a couple of bets for us

[bobby1]

thw way good debate works imo is you come in and say I THINK Y because of X. Tbf to Aaron, he did that. He gave his reasons why he thinks what he thinks and that is spot on imo.

Where he went slightly wrong was to defend his points so aggressively that some very good points that he contributed to making ITT were kind of lost.

I would hate to think anyone was deterred from posting in PHA threads ever + I'm sure bobby1 still wants the mug-ish punters like myself and pleno to bob along to the betting section every so often for some lols even if its just so he can lay a couple of bets for us

The great thing on threads like this and the punting ones is every post has the potential to create another post and there is no telling when a gem of a discussion appears from that.

When I read these hand discussions it miles above my poker ability, but I still read em and enjoy them.
Even posts like Aaron's which end up getting poo pooed create great posts from top top players.Nigdawg said the same as Pleno but In a constructive way.

ps, I sigh fold.

[SuuPRlim]

thw way good debate works imo is you come in and say I THINK Y because of X. Tbf to Aaron, he did that. He gave his reasons why he thinks what he thinks and that is spot on imo.

Where he went slightly wrong was to defend his points so aggressively that some very good points that he contributed to making ITT were kind of lost.

I would hate to think anyone was deterred from posting in PHA threads ever + I'm sure bobby1 still wants the mug-ish punters like myself and pleno to bob along to the betting section every so often for some lols even if its just so he can lay a couple of bets for us

The great thing on threads like this and the punting ones is every post has the potential to create another post and there is no telling when a gem of a discussion appears from that.

When I read these hand discussions it miles above my poker ability, but I still read em and enjoy them.
Even posts like Aaron's which end up getting poo pooed create great posts from top top players.Nigdawg said the same as Pleno but In a constructive way.

ps, I sigh fold.

I would like to +1 both post, and compliment them on how nicely they work together

[skolsuper]

what is premium?! a premium hand is a hand that is way hand of the guys range for getting it in, i.e jj+, ajo is not a premium as I showed you in the PokerStrategy.com equilab calculator.

I'm late to this thread, but LOL^

[Nit Tendencies]

This Aaron guy can't be a real person. Surely. His responses not only show a lack of basic understanding of NLHE, but also a basic understanding of how to deal with people.

Reading this thread has literally made me angry. This is a really tough spot and Aaron's responses have been ignorant and have stunted the progression of the thread.

Btw, is it not possible for villain to be shoving a set on the river in the vain hope that Trigg will sometimes spazz call some of the range that he'll check back? Like maybe he checks the turn to keep trigg's floats and medium strength hands in, and then thinks that he's gonna check back too much on that river? Just a thought, open to criticism.

It seems tough for us to be beat, but I think I'd fold here to this villain; I've played with him a reasonable amount and he's pretty solid, also he's smart enough to know that he's repping really thin so I just don't think he's going to show up with random airs (or hands turned into bluffs) enough to call. I am struggling to think of hands that he can have mind, I just think he's gonna have some goofy flush or a set. If it were a different villain who is more creative more often, then I'm probably not going to fold since it is pretty hard for us to have the worst hand.

[pleno1]

the thing is, although Dave said otherwise, people really shouldn't post in places that they don't play their selves.  Posting, asking questions is one thing, but coming in calling something a donk call and preaching is totally out of line and spoils PHA imo.

with respect fella, you posted a set of selections on the tips for Tikay thread on Sunday which made it very clear that you don't gamble very frequently, you tipped them up at miles away from top price and the explanations for the bets included' Newcastle fans will be making lots of noise'. You even posted that the price on Gary Neville making the England squad was 1/4 yesterday

Its a bit rich to tell someone not to post on this thread because they aren't involved at this level when you basically did that exact thing on Sunday in the Tips thread.

If we start telling people which threads they can and cannot post in then its going to be very quiet around here.

I've no idea who you are but you seem to be having a go because I incorrectly tipped Newcastle at what I thought was good odds. It's likely you are as unfamiliar to me as I are you but simply of everybody followed my advice on Newcastle including the no pals in the first half tip, te Newcastle without the big four, the Newcastle at Chelsea, Newcastle cs man it'd, the Newcastle -1 va man united etc then you would all be up alottrttttttttttttttttt of gambling points.

Not only do I have numerous coaching badges, have a sports degree that focused on coaching that I spent two years on ad the fact I played for Southampton in the same youth team as Gareth bale and theo Walcott whilst moving into semi professional football when I was still in my teens means that I'm definitely not somebody coming in totally uneducated. I post from my phone which doesn't hae odds checker on so ofc I can't always post the right price.

Te Gary neveille post was obviously a joke in response to camel and was just any of fun. Comparing my posts in the sports discussion thread that are always massively backed up with detailed opinion and when relevant facts and the way Aaron has responded on this thread on Pha in which by the way I'm one of of not the most active member both on posting hands and advice is insulting. I will keep posting on the sports forum and hopefully in the 2013 season I can be 1/4 as successful as I was this year in sports betting.

[pleno1]

we always put somebody on a range and try to narrow that as the hand progresses.

We know that vs his value range we are in bad shape, however vs his bluffing range we are in very good shape, when we 4bet we isolate ourself vs his value range as he will mostly fold his bluffing range.

if we flat call we get to play a pot in position, remember, position + skill = profit and can win vs some of his value range (kk/qq) when we flop an Ace, AK/AQ when we flop Jx or when it is a low board and we can take the pot down and more importantly vs his bluffing range he can try to represent strong hands on boards that are favourable for our hand.

when we 4bet AJ like you suggest it may aswell be any two cards as you are trying to fold.

this is pretty basic stuff and think youre 4betting to find out where you are strategy is pretty 2009 and extremely exploitable.

May I ask what you're calling range to the 3bets is? It is probably going to look like 22-99 which means you have a really weak range in 3bet pots on almost any board and villains will be able to play very well vs you.

thw way good debate works imo is you come in and say I THINK Y because of X. Tbf to Aaron, he did that. He gave his reasons why he thinks what he thinks and that is spot on imo.

Where he went slightly wrong was to defend his points so aggressively that some very good points that he contributed to making ITT were kind of lost.

I would hate to think anyone was deterred from posting in PHA threads ever + I'm sure bobby1 still wants the mug-ish punters like myself and pleno to bob along to the betting section every so often for some lols even if its just so he can lay a couple of bets for us

The great thing on threads like this and the punting ones is every post has the potential to create another post and there is no telling when a gem of a discussion appears from that.

When I read these hand discussions it miles above my poker ability, but I still read em and enjoy them.
Even posts like Aaron's which end up getting poo pooed create great posts from top top players.Nigdawg said the same as Pleno but In a constructive way.

ps, I sigh fold.

Not sure if you have anything against me but in never argumentative in Pha and always try to be constructive. This was my initial response to Aaron where I wrote a long post explaining my thought process in the hand and why people may disagree with his thought process. Again I used the pokerstrategy.com equilab calculator to show %s etc an it was most definitely a constructive post but yes I agree nigdawg > me

[Patonius2000]

I also think everyone should be open-minded, responsive and respect everyone's experience. This will always end up in a better thread

Yeah this isn't true. This is a hsmtt hand. You are an exception of course, but in general good players don't want to come itt and post 4 paragraphs explaining the difference between a value bet and a bluff. Nor do they want to deal with someone who posts their terrible thought processes as fact and with 0 humility or respect. These people should be flamed and ridiculed mercilessly till they learn better or quit posting, either of those two things works. This = more good players posting which = better threads.

[Pinchop73]

Flatting with AJ in that position in a or $2k buyin is totally ridic.

I have no idea what the guy has, but what I can see from this, is that you have made a donk call. All that action and you have called with AJ?

Terrible call imo.

I think this hand has been played terrible, I would be passing pre-flop to another raise.

There is no point in looking at %. They are only useful if you know what the other player had 

http://lifewithfacecards.tumblr.com/post/21811508414/when-a-live-player-explains-his-thought-process

[cambridgealex]

Have to completely agree with Rob there.

[Nit Tendencies]

I also think everyone should be open-minded, responsive and respect everyone's experience. This will always end up in a better thread

Yeah this isn't true. This is a hsmtt hand. You are an exception of course, but in general good players don't want to come itt and post 4 paragraphs explaining the difference between a value bet and a bluff. Nor do they want to deal with someone who posts their terrible thought processes as fact and with 0 humility or respect. These people should be flamed and ridiculed mercilessly till they learn better or quit posting, either of those two things works. This = more good players posting which = better threads.

Oh, and THIS.

[pleno1]

This Aaron guy can't be a real person. Surely. His responses not only show a lack of basic understanding of NLHE, but also a basic understanding of how to deal with people.

Reading this thread has literally made me angry. This is a really tough spot and Aaron's responses have been ignorant and have stunted the progression of the thread.

Btw, is it not possible for villain to be shoving a set on the river in the vain hope that Trigg will sometimes spazz call some of the range that he'll check back? Like maybe he checks the turn to keep trigg's floats and medium strength hands in, and then thinks that he's gonna check back too much on that river? Just a thought, open to criticism.

It seems tough for us to be beat, but I think I'd fold here to this villain; I've played with him a reasonable amount and he's pretty solid, also he's smart enough to know that he's repping really thin so I just don't think he's going to show up with random airs (or hands turned into bluffs) enough to call. I am struggling to think of hands that he can have mind, I just think he's gonna have some goofy flush or a set. If it were a different villain who is more creative more often, then I'm probably not going to fold since it is pretty hard for us to have the worst hand.

 Great post, agree with all of it. What's the top of our range when we get to the river and if we hae more bluffs than value bets is this not a river that we would be more inclined o drop the hammer on as we can credibly rep flushes / straights / value jan our sets and top two, whilst potentially hero folding a chunk to the donk jam whilst not ever making huge heels with like kj otr

[aaron1867]

Nit, why on earth get angry about my point of view? You obviously need to have a word with ya sen here if you are genuinely angry about my replies.

I opened this PHA and posted my opinion as it looked a quite interesting hand. I have also never been ignorant in this thread. Trigg has asked what player might have, but before second guessing that, you have to wonder about the pre-flop action. It is my view he should be re-raising, whilst I also think he played the flo and turn fine. As for the river? We will never know.

Pleno, AJ, not a premium hand in late position? I think you need to get away from the odds calculator for a little bit!

[anthonyl]

Bit of trolling here

I asked him on another thread if this was him (got no response)

http://www.footballforums.net/forums/member.php/38895-aaron1867

forum I read, he is not very popular on there

[bobby1]

the thing is, although Dave said otherwise, people really shouldn't post in places that they don't play their selves.  Posting, asking questions is one thing, but coming in calling something a donk call and preaching is totally out of line and spoils PHA imo.

with respect fella, you posted a set of selections on the tips for Tikay thread on Sunday which made it very clear that you don't gamble very frequently, you tipped them up at miles away from top price and the explanations for the bets included' Newcastle fans will be making lots of noise'. You even posted that the price on Gary Neville making the England squad was 1/4 yesterday

Its a bit rich to tell someone not to post on this thread because they aren't involved at this level when you basically did that exact thing on Sunday in the Tips thread.

If we start telling people which threads they can and cannot post in then its going to be very quiet around here.

I've no idea who you are but you seem to be having a go because I incorrectly tipped Newcastle at what I thought was good odds. It's likely you are as unfamiliar to me as I are you but simply of everybody followed my advice on Newcastle including the no pals in the first half tip, te Newcastle without the big four, the Newcastle at Chelsea, Newcastle cs man it'd, the Newcastle -1 va man united etc then you would all be up alottrttttttttttttttttt of gambling points.

Not only do I have numerous coaching badges, have a sports degree that focused on coaching that I spent two years on ad the fact I played for Southampton in the same youth team as Gareth bale and theo Walcott whilst moving into semi professional football when I was still in my teens means that I'm definitely not somebody coming in totally uneducated. I post from my phone which doesn't hae odds checker on so ofc I can't always post the right price.

Te Gary neveille post was obviously a joke in response to camel and was just any of fun. Comparing my posts in the sports discussion thread that are always massively backed up with detailed opinion and when relevant facts and the way Aaron has responded on this thread on Pha in which by the way I'm one of of not the most active member both on posting hands and advice is insulting. I will keep posting on the sports forum and hopefully in the 2013 season I can be 1/4 as successful as I was this year in sports betting.

I once shared a table with Greg Raymer, it doesn't mean I am now an expert on poker. I'm not really sure what the point of all that was other than deflecting from the fact that you have done in a different thread exactly what you have asked someone not to do in this one. Please keep posting in the tips thread coz every single post can be valuable even if they don't win but you must be able to see that putting up tips on there and then saying here that you cant check oddschecker or BF to find the price is the equv on there to Aaron's post on here. But on that thread you got defended from the stick, on this one you are giving out the stick.

I agree with your point about your hand analysis skills, I like reading almost all of them tho being a middle aged jumper wearer I would say they would be easier to follow without a lot of the abbreviations and acronyms. Coz I don't always get the lingo.

I am kind of hoping that the OP called so we find out what the guy has and the fact that so many really good players have different ideas on it is brill.Tho if the PHA board just turns into a small group of v good players only ever talking about v good high stakes hands then doesn't it just make it a super narrow board? With your knowledge and the variety of hands that you post it seems a bit daft to alienate others from posting even if their level is below yours.