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June 30, 2012, 07:47:37 AM »
Thought I'd start a thread for athletics at the Olympics and for the run up to it.
Why not start it off with this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18649280
Still have Bolt as the big favourite obviously, but amazing how Jamaica keep producing incredibly fast sprinters. World Record for their 4x100m team wouldn't be a surprise!
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The London 100m will be incredible. Bolt, Blake, Powell, Gatlin, Gay & Bledman are all bang in incredible form, and I think any of those six could win, including Powell, if Gay's hip stands up. Gatlin & Gay both looked so good in the US trials last week and Bledman in the TT trials. Thompson not so much. I'd have Bolt as a slight favourite.
The Jamaican trials are something else - Carter, Frater, etc can't even get into the team. Seven sub-10 runners in the final, I think. I don't think the result is such a huge shock as they are making out and wouldn't be surprised if the 200m finished the same 1-2.
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Would be horrible if the cheat Gatlin wins. Here's hoping we see a Jamaican 1-2-3, with all three breaking the world record.
Talking of cheats, it mentions in that article that Chambers' qualifying time from the GB trials wouldn't have been fast enough to get him into the semi finals at the last Olympics. Not that he was there, as he was banned for cheating of course. I hope GB don't include him in the relay team.
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I'm less inclined to doubt Bolt because of his unique physique, but when one country, and a small relatively poor one at that, produces a treadmill of world class sprinters I do start to get slightly suspicious.
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Quote from: Woodsey on June 30, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
I'm less inclined to doubt Bolt because of his unique physique, but when one country, and a small relatively poor one at that, produces a treadmill of world class sprinters I do start to get slightly suspicious.
Why are the Kenyans and Ethiopians so dominant in the long-distance events? Why are the British so strong in cycling and sailing? Why were Australia once so very dominant across a whole range of Olympic events?
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Quote from: kinboshi on June 30, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on June 30, 2012, 12:53:01 PM
I'm less inclined to doubt Bolt because of his unique physique, but when one country, and a small relatively poor one at that, produces a treadmill of world class sprinters I do start to get slightly suspicious.
Why are the Kenyans and Ethiopians so dominant in the long-distance events? Why are the British so strong in cycling and sailing? Why were Australia once so very dominant across a whole range of Olympic events?
Kenyans and Ethiopians have the benefit of living at altitude and that genetic advantage, Brits $$$$, Aus dunno.
Let me turn the Q around, why do u think they are better bearing in mind, small island, limited resources etc?
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Jamaicans do have a genetic advantge though. Almost all of the best sprinters of the past 30-40 years have been of either Caribbean or west African (which is where the slaves in the Caribbean came from) extraction. This is somethign to do with the higher proportion of fast twitch muscles. The fastest people in Jamaica inevitably become sprinters where as in the States they may become football running backs or wide receivers as well hence not as many talents coming through as a proportion of the population....there are more opportunities. If the Jamaicans were doping how do we explain how well Trinidad does in sprinting or even sprinters like Kim Collins from St Kitts or Daniel Bailey from Antigua both islands of 70k people? I am currently in Jamaica and the idea that there is no money in the sport here isn't true. Every single big company here is involved in the sponsorship of athletics and those that make it ar emaking very good money. You can't go more than 50 yards without seeing a billboard with Bolt, Blake, Powell, Fraser etc on it.
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Quote from: redarmi on June 30, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
Jamaicans do have a genetic advantge though. Almost all of the best sprinters of the past 30-40 years have been of either Caribbean or west African (which is where the slaves in the Caribbean came from) extraction. This is somethign to do with the higher proportion of fast twitch muscles. The fastest people in Jamaica inevitably become sprinters where as in the States they may become football running backs or wide receivers as well hence not as many talents coming through as a proportion of the population....there are more opportunities. If the Jamaicans were doping how do we explain how well Trinidad does in sprinting or even sprinters like Kim Collins from St Kitts or Daniel Bailey from Antigua both islands of 70k people? I am currently in Jamaica and the idea that there is no money in the sport here isn't true. Every single big company here is involved in the sponsorship of athletics and those that make it ar emaking very good money. You can't go more than 50 yards without seeing a billboard with Bolt, Blake, Powell, Fraser etc on it.
I would just expect the top sprinters to come from more other places too with the same west african genes, not mostly Jamaica.
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New Zealand has a relatively small population but nobody can touch them at rugby. A big national sport in a small country will draw all the talent to it, lots of role models and world class coaching from an early age makes a difference.
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Quote from: MANTIS01 on June 30, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
New Zealand has a relatively small population but nobody can touch them at rugby. A big national sport in a small country will draw all the talent to it, lots of role models and world class coaching from an early age makes a difference.
I expect the Jamaican cricket team to destroy us the next time we play them then
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Quote from: Woodsey on June 30, 2012, 01:40:27 PM
Quote from: redarmi on June 30, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
Jamaicans do have a genetic advantge though. Almost all of the best sprinters of the past 30-40 years have been of either Caribbean or west African (which is where the slaves in the Caribbean came from) extraction. This is somethign to do with the higher proportion of fast twitch muscles. The fastest people in Jamaica inevitably become sprinters where as in the States they may become football running backs or wide receivers as well hence not as many talents coming through as a proportion of the population....there are more opportunities. If the Jamaicans were doping how do we explain how well Trinidad does in sprinting or even sprinters like Kim Collins from St Kitts or Daniel Bailey from Antigua both islands of 70k people? I am currently in Jamaica and the idea that there is no money in the sport here isn't true. Every single big company here is involved in the sponsorship of athletics and those that make it ar emaking very good money. You can't go more than 50 yards without seeing a billboard with Bolt, Blake, Powell, Fraser etc on it.
I would just expect the top sprinters to come from more other places too with the same west african genes, not mostly Jamaica.
If we exclude West Africa itself which has produced more than its fair share of decent sprinters but assume infrastructure is a real problem there then of those that have run under ten seconds this year. 5 are from Jamaica (pop 3m), 2 are from Trinidad (pop -1m of which about a third are of Indian extraction) and 8 are from the USA (pop -313m of which 12% are black). It seems pretty much completely along the lines you would expect given not all American blacks of of West African and the other opportunities available to to them. If you look further to those that have run 10.10 and under then you get a Kittian, an Antiguan, a Bahamian, a Brit (of west African descent), French (of west African descent), a South African and a Jap. presumably the Jap likes reggae or something.
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Quote from: Woodsey on June 30, 2012, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: MANTIS01 on June 30, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
New Zealand has a relatively small population but nobody can touch them at rugby. A big national sport in a small country will draw all the talent to it, lots of role models and world class coaching from an early age makes a difference.
I expect the Jamaican cricket team to destroy us the next time we play them then
Why aren't there many top class long-distance runners from Jamaica? Or let's take it to the next level, why aren't known for top class boxers, footballers, darts players, etc?
Also why aren't there top class sprinters from East Africa, top footballers from India, or downhill skiers from Norfolk?
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Quote from: kinboshi on June 30, 2012, 04:23:46 PM
Quote from: Woodsey on June 30, 2012, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: MANTIS01 on June 30, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
New Zealand has a relatively small population but nobody can touch them at rugby. A big national sport in a small country will draw all the talent to it, lots of role models and world class coaching from an early age makes a difference.
I expect the Jamaican cricket team to destroy us the next time we play them then
Why aren't there many top class long-distance runners from Jamaica? Or let's take it to the next level, why aren't known for top class boxers, footballers, darts players, etc?
Also why aren't there top class sprinters from East Africa, top footballers from India, or downhill skiers from Norfolk?
I'm the one asking the questions around here sonny boy
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Quote from: kinboshi on June 30, 2012, 12:41:53 PM
Would be horrible if the cheat Gatlin wins. Here's hoping we see a Jamaican 1-2-3, with all three breaking the world record.
Talking of cheats, it mentions in that article that Chambers' qualifying time from the GB trials wouldn't have been fast enough to get him into the semi finals at the last Olympics. Not that he was there, as he was banned for cheating of course. I hope GB don't include him in the relay team.
On a totally unrelated point Dan..
I see you call Gatlin and Chembers "cheats" and (putting words in your mouth) assume you don't think they should be allowed to compete..
Do you think outed cheats in poker .. Bonomo, Fields, Mizzi etc should be banned from playing poker?
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June 30, 2012, 09:16:09 PM »
Can't stop them playing poker, but they could be barred from playing in some comps, by some sites, etc.
I fully backed GB's stance of wanting to ban drug cheats from the Olympics for life. Representing GB in the Olympics is a privilege, not a right. Ask our top-ranked tae kwon do guy...
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