Uhl be alright. A ladies event blog, by Vicky Coren

[JaffaCake]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

[Jon MW]

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If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

Ironic that you should suggest it's a bad thing then give the perfect example of the attitude which means the Ladies event has a reason to exist.

[Jon MW]

... because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. ...

And I'm pretty sure almost every poker player in the world thinks poker is about having fun and enjoying yourself.

The majority of professionals might agree with that statement though - but that's a very small minority.

[Claw75]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

[George2Loose]

Think they should introduce topless women's tournaments.

[redarmi]

As already mentioned nobody really bothers about men only tennis, chess, golf or anything else tournaments.  I don't really get that point of view at all.  I would think that the only reason there isn't generally mens only events is there is no demand for it.  

[RED-DOG]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

[Jon MW]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

EPT Deauville side event this year

Google comes up with one mention on 2+2 - and that was just somebody asking why and people saying because women have women only tournaments

EDIT: and women wouldn't object because as has already been mentioned - a men only poker tournament is virtually the same as a poker tournament

[smashedagain]

Think they should introduce topless women's tournaments.

It's all about putting the guys off from entering not encouraging them

[George2Loose]

Think they should introduce topless women's tournaments.

It's all about putting the guys off from entering not encouraging them

They could do a mens only topless one on the same day?

[RED-DOG]

As already mentioned nobody really bothers about men only tennis, chess, golf or anything else tournaments.  I don't really get that point of view at all.  I would think that the only reason there isn't generally mens only events is there is no demand for it.  

I'm just arguing the principle here.

Some kid exercises his right to play in a women only comp and gets vilified in public. We hear a one sided story. He has no opportunity to defend himself.

Imagine if the boot was on the other foot and Vicky exercised her right to enter a men only comp, and then some bloke who is in the public eye tore her to pieces and ridiculed her in public?

[RED-DOG]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

EPT Deauville side event this year

Google comes up with one mention on 2+2 - and that was just somebody asking why and people saying because women have women only tournaments

EDIT: and women wouldn't object because as has already been mentioned - a men only poker tournament is virtually the same as a poker tournament

It's the word 'Virtually' that lets your argument down.

The women only comp was 'virtually' all women, so why is Vicky getting her knickers in a knot?

[Claw75]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

forgive my vagueness - i was posting from memory. i should obviously have checked all the facts before posting.  'I think' was because I couldn't remember if it was an EPT or a WPT event.  I knew there was an event because there was a post about it here.  the use of 'iirc' was politeness.  I'm only 'pretty sure' no one got a bee in their bonnet because i didn't see anything.  there may have been someone kicking up a fuss in some dark corner of the internet that i accidentally missed.

[RED-DOG]

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

forgive my vagueness - i was posting from memory. i should obviously have checked all the facts before posting.  'I think' was because I couldn't remember if it was an EPT or a WPT event.  I knew there was an event because there was a post about it here.  the use of 'iirc' was politeness.  I'm only 'pretty sure' no one got a bee in their bonnet because i didn't see anything.  there may have been someone kicking up a fuss in some dark corner of the internet that i accidentally missed.

Thank you.

I'm glad your vague argument didn't render my excellent one invalid.

Now go and do some ironing. 

[luckyblind]

There is a lot of tosh being spoken in this thread by people who are normally a lot more on the ball.

Personally I see no reason why in an ideal world there should be women only events.

In a black and white situation clearly it is not right to have men only or women only anything where physical ability doesn't matter. The real world is not always black and white.

Women don't turn up to play in numbers. Some say it is because of the overtly masculine environment. What is the harm of having the odd the event they can play that they don't feel like they are coming into an alien environment?

In most contests you would expect players to play within the "spirit of the game". The men that play these tournaments certainly have no spirit of the game and anybody who sticks up for them can't have either. It might sound extreme but I would put these people in the same category as any dirty angle-shooter because at the end of the day it is the same.

There are a gazillion other poker tournaments that they can play.

Anybody commending them for taking poker to it's purist elements by exploiting the weak spots is doing it completely out of context. They are classless idiots pure and simple.

I'll never run a women only tournament. Not because I don't think they have their place (I wish they didn't) but because I don't want to get sued by some arrogant, classless jerk who I stop from playing.

If you feel your rights as a man are being infringed there are better ways to go about protesting.