Crystal Palace FC Thread + Championship Chat

[DungBeetle]

You can't ignore add-ons Tighty! (assuming they are not too far fetched)

Anyhow - I'm sure you wouldn't hold Leicester up as a bastion of financial shrewdness over the past decade.  

The Championship will never be a level playing field.

[TightEnd]

Very unshrewd for sure. Consequences of that start next season, Thai owner or not, if  we don't get up

[DungBeetle]

I guess my point is why isn't Holloway bleating about not having a rich chairman.  He can link up with Barca if he wants under teh current rules, the same way he can atract a sugar daddy.

[DungBeetle]

The fact Barca would tell him to do one isn't watford's problem.

[Ant040689]

It is a loophole that shouldn't be there. He isn't having a go at Watford for utilising it, more that it is in existence.

He said himself the reason he went over the top about it in the post match interview was that he only realised you were doing that on matchday which is a surprise.

I definitely think it is out of order that it is a rule you can have as many international loans as you want, but I am fine with teams using it until it is abolished because the points he made are correct.

TBH though, you could even argue 5 loans is way too much for any one club too, within England. That is nearly half the team that isn't actually signed with you. Probably a fairer reflection on how good a team is if that got reduced too, to 3. Holloway is using 5 loans himself.

[horseplayer]

Holloway moaning? surely not

nobody seem to care  a jot when Watford were near bottom at the start of the season

personally i am enjoying watching players with skill a first touch and awareness in the championship

[Ant040689]

Viewpoint on Palace to win at home at 2.1 with Bwin against Middlesbrough?

Got on already. It is the standout price at the moment with BWIN. Palace look resurgent, despite poor recent first halfs, we haven't lost at home since the first 3 games of the season, and look like we should be back onto dominating teams at Selhurst.

There are only limited prices available from 8 companies on oddschecker, there is 2.1, 2.0 and then only around 1.9 available elsewhere.

Middlesbrough too are playing 3 games in the matter of a week, with their home tie to Leeds happening on Tuesday and they play Palace on Saturday after losing to Barnsley last Saturday.

[DungBeetle]

"It is a loophole that shouldn't be there."

I don't think you can close it unless the UK pulls out of the EU.  And even if they did Udinese and Watford will swap players on rolling 5 year contracts for free (assuming agents don't mess that up).

[DungBeetle]

Ant. The 3 loan rule would reduce the quality of teams.  The Premier League teams have 25 man squads these days and hoover up all the talent.  Whereas a young Zaha, for example, would have been a star Championship player 20 years ago till the age of 24 before making the step up, now he is safely pouched in Man United's squad.  If you restrict loans, you are consigning a huge pile of talent to reserve team football imo.

[DungBeetle]

"nobody seem to care  a jot when Watford were near bottom at the start of the season"

Quite.  I remember early on the media being very disparaging, feeling sorry for Watford "losing their soul" and saying that we have 11 substandard mercenaries like Doncaster did the year before.   Now it is apparent they are probably the most skilful bunch in the league, and with passion and drive to boot, we are as good as cheating.

Holloway's rant was embarrassing.  At one point he said some of the Watford players were the best in the world (!)

[DungBeetle]

Viewpoint on Palace to win at home at 2.1 with Bwin against Middlesbrough?

Got on already. It is the standout price at the moment with BWIN. Palace look resurgent, despite poor recent first halfs, we haven't lost at home since the first 3 games of the season, and look like we should be back onto dominating teams at Selhurst.

There are only limited prices available from 8 companies on oddschecker, there is 2.1, 2.0 and then only around 1.9 available elsewhere.

Middlesbrough too are playing 3 games in the matter of a week, with their home tie to Leeds happening on Tuesday and they play Palace on Saturday after losing to Barnsley last Saturday.

I think Boro are shot.  I guess this is priced in though with Palace at about evens.  Not sure I trust them yet after their mediocre run, despite the excellent 2nd half display on Friday.

[rfgqqabc]

"nobody seem to care  a jot when Watford were near bottom at the start of the season"

Quite.  I remember early on the media being very disparaging, feeling sorry for Watford "losing their soul" and saying that we have 11 substandard mercenaries like Doncaster did the year before.   Now it is apparent they are probably the most skilful bunch in the league, and with passion and drive to boot, we are as good as cheating.

Holloway's rant was embarrassing.  At one point he said some of the Watford players were the best in the world (!)

Shipping in truckloads of  loanees/trialists Willy McKay used his "connections" for just isn't quite the same thing as one club sending over umpteen players. However, good luck to Watford, not against the rules so can't really have an issue. Plus anything that makes the game beautiful is fine in my books.

[horseplayer]

"nobody seem to care  a jot when Watford were near bottom at the start of the season"

Quite.  I remember early on the media being very disparaging, feeling sorry for Watford "losing their soul" and saying that we have 11 substandard mercenaries like Doncaster did the year before.   Now it is apparent they are probably the most skilful bunch in the league, and with passion and drive to boot, we are as good as cheating.

Holloway's rant was embarrassing.  At one point he said some of the Watford players were the best in the world (!)

the martin samuel article that had at worst racial undertone was disgusting

basically watford have been lucky in a way in that they have been put into a ownership plan which has proven in two countries to work

[Ant040689]

Ant. The 3 loan rule would reduce the quality of teams.  The Premier League teams have 25 man squads these days and hoover up all the talent.  Whereas a young Zaha, for example, would have been a star Championship player 20 years ago till the age of 24 before making the step up, now he is safely pouched in Man United's squad.  If you restrict loans, you are consigning a huge pile of talent to reserve team football imo.

Would not the reverse be true in that, players not wanting to move up to the premierleague clubs in fear of being in reserves will stay at their Championship club until they have enough experience to ensure that they are a first team player at the prem club? Of course they could take the wages and rot, but for their own careers, it would mean star players would stay at their clubs for longer. With our club in particular our youth team players are clued up to the notion of not leaving Palace too early. Look at Watson, Clyne, Moses, they waited until they were obviously relatively assured first team football, upon their moves. They have the horror story of John Bostock ringing in their ears on that front not too move to early.

Would imagine too that Zaha will be on the cusp of the first team set up and won't be moving out on loan again while he is at Man United, especially for the amount of money they are shelling out on him.

Effectively the formula is simple. You limit the loans allowed for a club and then that clubs youth system is in with more of a chance of bleeding into the first team. Obv there are the transfer windows to purchase new players, but loans come in at a massive cut of the price. So if you have 11 loans available, why not make a team up of them?

My quote of a loophole that shouldn't be there is basically limited to, international loans should make up the 5 allowed, and not be separate from that. It is fine to get loans from another country but the whole teams loans shouldn't exceed 5.

As i have said though, I think 5 is too much. In my opinion it should be 3.

[rfgqqabc]

"nobody seem to care  a jot when Watford were near bottom at the start of the season"

Quite.  I remember early on the media being very disparaging, feeling sorry for Watford "losing their soul" and saying that we have 11 substandard mercenaries like Doncaster did the year before.   Now it is apparent they are probably the most skilful bunch in the league, and with passion and drive to boot, we are as good as cheating.

Holloway's rant was embarrassing.  At one point he said some of the Watford players were the best in the world (!)

the martin samuel article that had at worst racial undertone was disgusting

basically watford have been lucky in a way in that they have been put into a ownership plan which has proven in two countries to work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2208564/Watford-snapshot-thats-wrong-modern-football-Martin-Samuel.html#axzz2KbLJnTzD

For any other curious minds.